Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)

[Pacef8]

Any decision on when and where a wirral service will start ?

 

[prod_pep]

507026 was on the Liverpool - Fazakerley service this afternoon, so the older stock isn't finished with the Kirkby branch altogether just yet.

 

[DJH1971]

Any decision on when and where a wirral service will start ?

It will need to be soon given that the process of withdrawing the 507/508's is about to step up a notch.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

It's been reported the next units going for scrap will be 508127 and 507005 in 2 weeks, followed by 508138 and 507009 a couple of weeks later. 508126 and 507026 will be going 2 weeks after that.

There is going to be a delivery of 3 777's every 3/4 weeks from early August.

Six gone in a matter of weeks...

 

[prod_pep]

508131 worked the 1716 Liv Cen - Ormskirk today and 507026 is the Fazakerley unit once again. Hardly the 777-only zone we were told to expect, but no complaints from here!

 

[cjbirkett]

507 005 is on the 1226 Moorfields-Chester for anyone that needs it (13/7)

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507 005 is on the 1226 Moorfields-Chester for anyone that needs it (13/7)

And 508 128 is on the Fazakerley shorts so they're not quite ready to give up the route yet!

 

[samrammstein]

508137's builder's plates photographed while she was stabled at Hooton yesterday afternoon.

 

[cjbirkett]

507s/508s seen on 13/7. Hope may be of interest.

CHESTER TRAINS:- 005, 009, 013, 020, 030, 103
ELLESMERE PORT TRAINS:- 014, 016, 031
NEW BRIGHTON TRAINS:- 021, 028, 032
HOYLAKE TRAINS:- 033, 117, 131, 139, 141
FAZAKERLEY TRAINS:- 128
SOUTHPORT/HUNTS X TRAINS:- 001, 002, 007, 010, 011, 104, 108, 114, 120, 124, 125, 127, 136, 137, 138

BIRKENHEAD NORTH DEPOT - 015, 017, 023, 111 (015/023 did the afternoon ECS to Kirkdale)
KIRKDALE DEPOT: - 029, 126
SOUTHPORT SIDINGS (at 16.30):- 018

 

[Ianigsy]

It will need to be soon given that the process of withdrawing the 507/508's is about to step up a notch.

Need to get the Open golf out of the way first, I would have thought.

 

[L401CJF]

507s/508s seen on 13/7. Hope may be of interest.

CHESTER TRAINS:- 005, 009, 013, 020, 030, 103
ELLESMERE PORT TRAINS:- 014, 016, 031
NEW BRIGHTON TRAINS:- 021, 028, 032
HOYLAKE TRAINS:- 033, 117, 131, 139, 141
FAZAKERLEY TRAINS:- 128
SOUTHPORT/HUNTS X TRAINS:- 001, 002, 007, 010, 011, 104, 108, 114, 120, 124, 125, 127, 136, 137, 138

BIRKENHEAD NORTH DEPOT - 015, 017, 023, 111 (015/023 did the afternoon ECS to Kirkdale)
KIRKDALE DEPOT: - 029, 126
SOUTHPORT SIDINGS (at 16.30):- 018

I've been out getting some rides in this evening, managed to get rides on 127 and 138 which was nice as their time is nearly up. 111 was at North when we went past but was gone on the return, managed a ride on it on Chesters late this eve.

009 finished at RFY around 2000 then worked ECS over to Kirkdale.

 

[Wezz]

Is each bogey powered separately...or do only 1 set of shoes need to be in contact with the live rail to provide traction to the whole train?

Only 1 shoe needs to be in contact with the conductor rail, as is standard on all new DCCR units nowadays.

Since I posted my original thought / question, I have now noted two things at Kirkby, the 3rd rail remains more or less half way up the platform and also seen a new platform sign to remind drivers 'check emu mode' (on Class 777's). Clearly that Class 777's will use 3rd rail power to / from Kirkby after all.

Services from Liverpool will switch to battery mode at Fazakerley.
Services from Headbolt Lane will switch to 3rd rail mode at Kirkby.

 

[SteveyBee131]

Only 1 shoe needs to be in contact with the conductor rail, as is standard on all new DCCR units nowadays.

Services from Liverpool will switch to battery mode at Fazakerley.
Services from Headbolt Lane will switch to 3rd rail mode at Kirkby.

Please forgive my ignorance, but what does DCCR stand for?

 

[Wezz]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what does DCCR stand for?

Direct Current Conductor Rail

 

[SteveyBee131]

Direct Current Conductor Rail

Ah, brilliant! Thank you

 

[MR-507508]

508127 is currently working on the Chester line, working the 0945 Liverpool Central to Chester. Its coupled to 507021. There had been some speculation this unit had already been withdrawn.

508138 is working on the Hoylake services, coupled to 507002.

508126 is also working on the Hoylake services, coupled to 507017.

All 3 508s above are due to be withdrawn within the next few weeks.

 

[43184spotter]

Any clue when the next Merseyrail scrap drag to Newport is due to be?

 

[MR-507508]

Any clue when the next Merseyrail scrap drag to Newport is due to be?

I have heard either next Sunday evening, 30th July or the following Sunday, 6th August.
I believe this should be 507005 and 508127 leaving next.

 

[43184spotter]

Thank you

 

[MR-507508]

Could anyone confirm if today (Tuesday 25th July) is the final day for 508127 in passenger service.
It's working on the New Brighton line until early evening, then heading ECS to Kirkdale depot.

 

[8A Rail]

Could anyone confirm if today (Tuesday 25th July) is the final day for 508127 in passenger service.
It's working on the New Brighton line until early evening, then heading ECS to Kirkdale depot.

Just a general question, why would it be 508127 last day of service and then ECS to Kirkdale, surely it would go to Birkenhead North (to remove parts etc) as that is the location it would go from to Newport?

 

[MR-507508]

Just a general question, why would it be 508127 last day of service and then ECS to Kirkdale, surely it would go to Birkenhead North (to remove parts etc) as that is the location it would go from to Newport?

508127 is among the next few units due for withdrawal and scrapping.
The ECS move (5D39) from New Brighton in the evening, often goes onto form an ECS move from Kirkdale depot to Birkenhead North depot (5B87 or 5B88) later the same evening.
It is rare to have a planned ECS move direct from New Brighton to Birkenhead North depot in the early evening, however this evening the planned 5D39 move ran to Birkenhead North depot instead.

Realtime Trains | 5D39 1948 New Brighton to Kirkdale C.S. | 25/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5D39 1948 departure from New Brighton to Kirkdale C.S. on 25/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[DJH1971]

508127 is among the next few units due for withdrawal and scrapping.
The ECS move (5D39) from New Brighton in the evening, often goes onto form an ECS move from Kirkdale depot to Birkenhead North depot (5B87 or 5B88) later the same evening.
It is rare to have a planned ECS move direct from New Brighton to Birkenhead North depot in the early evening, however this evening the planned 5D39 move ran to Birkenhead North depot instead.

Realtime Trains | 5D39 1948 New Brighton to Kirkdale C.S. | 25/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5D39 1948 departure from New Brighton to Kirkdale C.S. on 25/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Sounds like 508127 has worked its last service.

 

[Sam 76]

As the withdrawals continue surely we need some more 777s to pick up services otherwise it will not look good in a few weeks

 

[DJH1971]

As the withdrawals continue surely we need some more 777s to pick up services otherwise it will not look good in a few weeks

Or rail replacement buses beckon

 

[TheSel]

Northern Line problems this morning. From Merseyrail::

"Due to a broken down train at Brunswick the Southport and Hunts Cross line is disrupted. Disruption is expected until 10:45 26/07. Impact: Train services to Hunts Cross will be terminated at and started back from Liverpool Cntrl Northern."

So that leaves a gap of roughly an hour in Southport-bound services from Liverpool central.

 

[urbophile]

Northern Line problems this morning. From Merseyrail::

"Due to a broken down train at Brunswick the Southport and Hunts Cross line is disrupted. Disruption is expected until 10:45 26/07. Impact: Train services to Hunts Cross will be terminated at and started back from Liverpool Cntrl Northern."

So that leaves a gap of roughly an hour in Southport-bound services from Liverpool central.

I was on the one behind. Stranded at St Michaels, fortunately, not midway between. It will be happening more and more as these old trains conk out.

 

[MR-507508]

I was on the one behind. Stranded at St Michaels, fortunately, not midway between. It will be happening more and more as these old trains conk out.

Do you know what unit you was on?
It looks as though it was 507031 which failed.
The unit behind went to rescue it. Both are currently on Kirkdale depot, just passed them now.

 

[urbophile]

Do you know what unit you was on?
It looks as though it was 507031 which failed.
The unit behind went to rescue it. Both are currently on Kirkdale depot, just passed them now.

No I don't look at numbers. Sorry.

 

[paddyb6]

Do you know what unit you was on?
It looks as though it was 507031 which failed.
The unit behind went to rescue it. Both are currently on Kirkdale depot, just passed them now.

It was 031.

 

[cjbirkett]

Seems to be several suffering from the graffiti brigade unfortunately.

001, 104, 138 and 141 seen today already (27/7)