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Being a relative newbie when it comes to scrapping the 507/8 . Is it stripped of seats hydraulics lights etc and just a portacabin on wheels when it leaves on the bidston line to where ?
 
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Yes they are being scrapped, however some 507s will be retained for a couple of years while they lengthen the platforms on the Southport lines. The first two units go next week and all are being scrapped at Newport. Angel are keeping the original name plates fitted to the 508s so you might be able to contact them and buy one.
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What day will the move take place to take them from Birkenhead North depot. I have heard mention of this Sunday? Will the route appear on RTT?

How come the plan is to retain some 507s units, why 507? I would say more 508 units have been overhauled over the past year compared to 507 units.
Surely units being retained would be based on those which have recently been overhauled rather than just class?
 
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The 777’s aren’t too long for the platforms. The passenger door arrangement is such that an 8 car will fit anywhere a 6 car 507/8 will.

The issue with the 777s is that they at ever so slightly long enough to foul the points and track circuits at a small number of locations, and at other locations the cab is closer to the home signal. Network rail need to move some signals and track circuits to allow 8 cars to run. Southport *might* need more work due to the layout, but this isn’t a platform length issue. A lot of these snags were already planned for when the door layout was chosen as the best compromise.
 
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The 777’s aren’t too long for the platforms. The passenger door arrangement is such that an 8 car will fit anywhere a 6 car 507/8 will.

The issue with the 777s is that they at ever so slightly long enough to foul the points and track circuits at a small number of locations, and at other locations the cab is closer to the home signal. Network rail need to move some signals and track circuits to allow 8 cars to run. Southport *might* need more work due to the layout, but this isn’t a platform length issue. A lot of these snags were already planned for when the door layout was chosen as the best compromise.
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I'm assuming that we will see some 4-car 777s on the Southport line off-peak?
 
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I am not sure, but I don't think they fit on some of the platforms . The new trains are slightly longer. They could just have selective doors open at the smaller platforms are not stop there so there are options on that line. I think the 507s will just be on that line as 6 cars for peak time as 8 can't currently be used
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Without going off topic, I wonder what the score will be regarding strengthened trains on the Southport line of a weekend during the Summer season and December? Enough legacy units retained for this to resume when the 777s are introduced?
 
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Skie said:
The 777’s aren’t too long for the platforms. The passenger door arrangement is such that an 8 car will fit anywhere a 6 car 507/8 will.

The issue with the 777s is that they at ever so slightly long enough to foul the points and track circuits at a small number of locations, and at other locations the cab is closer to the home signal. Network rail need to move some signals and track circuits to allow 8 cars to run. Southport *might* need more work due to the layout, but this isn’t a platform length issue. A lot of these snags were already planned for when the door layout was chosen as the best compromise.
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Without going off topic, I wonder what the score will be regarding strengthened trains on the Southport line of a weekend during the Summer season and December? Enough legacy units retained for this to resume when the 777s are introduced?
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What day will the move take place to take them from Birkenhead North depot. I have heard mention of this Sunday? Will the route appear on RTT?

How come the plan is to retain some 507s units, why 507? I would say more 508 units have been overhauled over the past year compared to 507 units.
Surely units being retained would be based on those which have recently been overhauled rather than just class?
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And it's the 16th they go I believe

777005 was meant to run Sunday and Monday but this has now been cancelled for the time being, it will only be announced on Sunday day
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What is going on with the testing at the minute. I have seen very little over the past few weeks?
One new unit did come out (I think it was Monday), went to kirkby and then straight back to Kirkdale depot?

Do you know a time on Sunday for the move, there is nothing on RTT?
 
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Each unit when it arrives initially goes through commisioning.They wouldnt use 006 because of the graffiti so there was nothing to test. The unit that did a quick run to Kirkby was to test the latest software and hardware update worked correctly
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I thought I heard that 777006 was suppose to be out testing this week now that the graffiti issue had been sorted?
So from your previous post, 777005 might still be out on Sunday and Monday but won't know until on the day, is that what you meant here?
 
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Test has been cancelled. Monday's Wirral test also looks very unlikely. Would have liked to have seen how the units performed running during 507 service
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That is a real shame as there is plenty of leeway with Sundays only having an hourly service currently! 5T77 still showing in bold on RRT as well.
 
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Both this and Mondays tests have been cancelled. These will probably happen same times next week. Sunday is the only day northern lines can be completed
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I know I may be being a bit dim here, but can someone confirm that what we're talking about here are 777s running in between public services, without public access? Rather than the first new train or two being tried out with a chance for the public (us) to use it?
 
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Obviously they are being cautious there's probably insurance reasons as well as if anything goes wrong with passengers on board during testing would be a massive negative PR as people complain more than they praise, the Echo would have a field day filling columns of stranded passengers train failures etc.

Liverpool Echo:
"New train fiasco, passenger stuck on board for hours miles from help"
"Major panic on failed new train, Peter from Kirkby fainted, Granny from Southport has panic attack"

Facebook:
"Scrap the new trains, waste of money waa waaa waa etc"

Better to be later and get it right first time than to play catch up.
 
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Obviously they are being cautious there's probably insurance reasons as well as if anything goes wrong with passengers on board during testing would be a massive negative PR as people complain more than they praise, the Echo would have a field day filling columns of stranded passengers train failures etc.

Liverpool Echo:
"New train fiasco, passenger stuck on board for hours miles from help"
"Major panic on failed new train, Peter from Kirkby fainted, Granny from Southport has panic attack"

Facebook:
"Scrap the new trains, waste of money waa waaa waa etc"

Better to be later and get it right first time than to play catch up.
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There are group standards that do not allow passengers to be on trains that have not been certified for public use. That is why there are also only limited staff on the test train. There is also need need for public to be on it as the current fleet are still running to the time table. The 777 will stop at each station but won't open doors and will Have them all locked out of use .
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I trust they are going to do (night-time?) test runs with doors? LNR must have regretted not doing with the 230s, as the issues caused by them being very slow were not highlighted.
 
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