May 2014 timetable changes

[Philip]

I Wouldn't be surprised to see (some) remaining Barrow's all using Victoria eventually. Certainly its addition to the TPE map from May makes anything possible, & this morning service from Barrow is an extra TPE into Vic I didn't expect...

I can't see the Barrow-Victoria service on the open train times - what time is it scheduled to depart?

 

[Dunc108]

The plan was to keep 5 return Manchester-Barrow services per day but they won't all go to the Airport - one morning southbound service will go to Victoria (due to no path through Deansgate) and an evening northbound service will do Airport-Oxford Road ECS (before the evening peak starts) then Oxford Road-Barrow at around 17:15.

Mentioned earlier.
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I can't see the Barrow-Victoria service on the open train times - what time is it scheduled to depart?

See above.

 

[dk1]

Although I notice that the trains don't actually connect into the GA Norwich service (although the XC service does reasonably well), so I assume that when the Norwich - Cambridge services are extended to Stansted the GA services will run in a new path between Norwich and Cambridge if this ''secures paths'' South of Cambridge.

Any timescale for Norwich to Stansted services?

After re-doubling of Ely North Junction & opening of Cambridges new Station at Chesterton, it is hoped that Norwich-Cambridge will go half-hourly. All depends on cascaded units though.

 

[Condor7]

It is no longer a Selby-Manchester Victoria service just a Leeds-Man Vic service and Leeds-Selby service.

Many thanks

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

After re-doubling of Ely North Junction & opening of Cambridge's new Station at Chesterton, it is hoped that Norwich-Cambridge will go half-hourly. All depends on cascaded units though.

Is it still in the plans to have an interchange with the Cambridge Guided Busway when the Chesterton heavy-rail station opens ?

 

[dk1]

Is it still in the plans to have an interchange with the Cambridge Guided Busway when the Chesterton heavy-rail station opens ?

Yes. Large car park planned too. Still not sure of station name but Science Park should appear somewhere in the title.

 

[MK Tom]

Are these not the same train?

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/C77416/2014-05-19

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y81721/2014-05-19

 

[tractakid]

Are these not the same train?

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/C77416/2014-05-19

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y81721/2014-05-19

I caught this train at Coventry, it is a double Voyager- my assumption that the second unit joins at Wolverhampton?

I guess also- if the first unit doesn't get to Wolves for whatever reason, the second one could run anyway?

 

[The Planner]

I guess also- if the first unit doesn't get to Wolves for whatever reason, the second one could run anyway?

Exactly, it allows 1Z48 to be called and run as an EBW if the Glasgow services falls over.

 

[Eagle]

As well as allowing both services to be run at once (e.g. if the Glasgow service is two hours late but not yet cancelled) without confusing the system?

 

[harz99]

This ones a bit slow from Glasgow to leaving Carlisle!

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/G34265/2014-05-19

Does give Lockerbie its earliest departure for a number of years.

 

[Philip]

Mentioned earlier.
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See above.

I saw that but I can't find this service on the open train times, all departures from Barrow to Manchester are showing to Manchester Airport.

 

[Solent&Wessex]

The plan was to keep 5 return Manchester-Barrow services per day but they won't all go to the Airport - one morning southbound service will go to Victoria (due to no path through Deansgate) and an evening northbound service will do Airport-Oxford Road ECS (before the evening peak starts) then Oxford Road-Barrow at around 17:15.

I Wouldn't be surprised to see (some) remaining Barrow's all using Victoria eventually. Certainly its addition to the TPE map from May makes anything possible, & this morning service from Barrow is an extra TPE into Vic I didn't expect...

I can't see the Barrow-Victoria service on the open train times - what time is it scheduled to depart?

Mentioned earlier.
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See above.

I saw that but I can't find this service on the open train times, all departures from Barrow to Manchester are showing to Manchester Airport.

The TPE Timetable shows departures from Barrow as:

0435 Lancaster (Unit then forms 0546 to Windermere via Morecambe)
0532 Manchester Airport
0615 Blackpool North
0648 Manchester Airport
0850 Manchester Airport
1120 Preston
1333 Manchester Airport
1440 Manchester Airport
1720 Lancaster
2010 Preston

All the Airport services attach to portions from Blackpool at Preston, except the 0532 which runs solo throughout.

The evening 1715 you mention is shown as running to Windermere.
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I also note, annoyingly, that Northern haven't taken the opportunity to provide a better evening service on the Calder Valley. If you travel from Hebden Bridge to Manchester you now have 2 fast trains per hour and 1 slow during the day. In the evening you only have 1 slow train an hour back, which makes it really unappealing. At least speed it up and make it slightly more attractive by missing out Moston, Mills Hill and Castleton! One of the reasons I mainly drive into Manchester when I could catch the train - I can't stand the one train per hour tedious all stations journey home!

 

[Dunc108]

I saw that but I can't find this service on the open train times, all departures from Barrow to Manchester are showing to Manchester Airport.

Well i'm open to be proved wrong! I obviously took the piece from that other contributor at face value...

 

[175001]

Wonder how many will do this one

http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y73650/2014-05-20

Southport to Leeds via Atherton and Huddersfield and nearly all stops!!

 

[Goatboy]

1844 and 1944 XC services from Bristol to Devon and Cornwall seem to have been removed? Seems somewhat odd, 3 hours between trains then back to one an hour later on the Sunday evening?

 

[SprinterMan]

1844 and 1944 XC services from Bristol to Devon and Cornwall seem to have been removed? Seems somewhat odd, 3 hours between trains then back to one an hour later on the Sunday evening?

Not everything is in the system yet, they may well reappear later

Adam

 

[MK Tom]

Not to be self-centred or anything but can anyone tell me if anything's changed at Milton Keynes, Bletchley, Northampton or Aylesbury? I can't see any changes but there's a lot to look through!

 

[Goatboy]

Not everything is in the system yet, they may well reappear later

Adam

Somewhat odd though to have added the 1744 and the 2144 but not those in between

 

[306024]

There is no telling how the Network Rail computer will react to publishing trains. Trains will be rejected if the system finds an error, so those schedules will need to be republished. As always, keep calm and wait for all the anomalies to be resolved.

 

[samj]

Interesting that on the Fylde lines the times have been completely revamped. Clockface departures from Blackpool North off-peak as follows:
xx.03 Liverpool (now stops at Poulton too)
xx.11 York
xx.21 Huddersfield or Todmorden (via Man Vic)
xx.44 Man Airport.

Poulton has benefited as now seems to get 4 trains per hour with the Liverpool's now stopping, and also when returning there is no need to wait 40 minutes at Preston now if arriving from London on the Pendolino, as the York has been re-timed to depart at xx.48 from Preston when heading towards Blackpool North.

I wonder if this will see the end of use with 142s on Blackpool-Man Vic services now they have been extended through to Huddersfield?

 

[175001]

I wonder if this will see the end of use with 142s on Blackpool-Man Vic services now they have been extended through to Huddersfield?

I very much doubt that sadly.

 

[northwichcat]

If Pacers are moved off one route they'll just go on to another so less Pacers on Victoria-Blackpool could mean more on Hazel Grove-Preston instead.

 

[Dunc108]

You can find 142s on practically any Northern service these days & there seems no set pattern on some diagrams, a service which had a 142 today could be in the hands of a 150 or 156 tomorrow ... you can see this particularly on Manchester - Wigan services.

 

[Blindtraveler]

sincerely hoping for a Blackpool to Huds Pacer turn! ↲↲↲on topic, how are the additional Obans being achieved? Didnt think we had sufficiant 156s for one thing and though the WHL was pritty much full of freight for a 2nd? Only way I could see it stock wise was if wiring was finished somewhere but not sure about this?↲

 

[northwichcat]

You can find 142s on practically any Northern service these days & there seems no set pattern on some diagrams, a service which had a 142 today could be in the hands of a 150 or 156 tomorrow ... you can see this particularly on Manchester - Wigan services.

There are diagrams which state which traction type should be used but the booked traction frequently gets switched. Some services are less likely to get switched than others, in particular in the Manchester area Sprinter services that later work a service to Buxton, where Pacers are forbidden from travelling to.
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sincerely hoping for a Blackpool to Huds Pacer turn! ↲↲↲

How about a Merseytravel Pacer on a day when you are travelling from Blackpool to Huddersfield?

 

[Eagle]

sincerely hoping for a Blackpool to Huds Pacer turn! ↲↲↲on topic, how are the additional Obans being achieved? Didnt think we had sufficiant 156s for one thing and though the WHL was pritty much full of freight for a 2nd? Only way I could see it stock wise was if wiring was finished somewhere but not sure about this?↲

Could be using 156s displaced by the Cumbernauld electrification, which fingers crossed should be ready for action in May.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

If Pacers are moved off one route they'll just go on to another so less Pacers on Victoria-Blackpool could mean more on Hazel Grove-Preston instead.

Or even the new much-vaunted "pub with no beer" Blackburn-Copy Pit line-Manchester Victoria service when the Holme tunnel works are completed at the end of March...

 

[Blindtraveler]

How about a Merseytravel Pacer on a day when you are travelling from Blackpool to Huddersfield?[/QUOTE]



I'd welcome the challenge!
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Could be using 156s displaced by the Cumbernauld electrification, which fingers crossed should be ready for action in May.

Lets hope it is, the weathers against rite now though. Im gumdssing this will be where the 320s will spend there days now the overhaul works are done? Egg on faces if the works for this arnt finished.↲

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Could be using 156s displaced by the Cumbernauld electrification, which fingers crossed should be ready for action in May.

I thought Scotrail were going to use them to cascade some 158s for the new Borders service?