Max line speeds

[adamskiodp]

Hi Folks

 

[edwin_m]

The Sectional Appendix on the Network Rail website shows the permitted speed all the way along the route. Unfortunately it's not searchable!

 

[Bald Rick]

Going north, the linespeed goes to 125 just north of Woolmer Green Jn (between Welwyn North and Knebworth), and the trains will reach that speed around Stevenage.

 

[Searle]

Going north, the linespeed goes to 125 just north of Woolmer Green Jn (between Welwyn North and Knebworth), and the trains will reach that speed around Stevenage.

Following on from this, most of the route is 125 until Peterborough, and between there and York, but it's all so fast that you can't really tell the difference!

North of York, it's 125 until Northallerton, where it goes considerably slower through the curvy section until Newcastle. From there, it's mostly slower sections up until Edinburgh.

 

[Cherry_Picker]

The Sectional Appendix on the Network Rail website shows the permitted speed all the way along the route. Unfortunately it's not searchable!

Just to add the links. It's a pain to read online because it's designed as a book.

Sectional Appendix, London North Eastern (London to Berwick upon Tweed)

Sectional Appendix, Scotland (Berwick upon Tweed to Edinburgh)

 

[adamskiodp]

Thanks guys. Am hoping for a HST at least one way ????????????

Adam

 

[petersi]

Using a site like realtimetrains.co.uk and the advances option will give an indication of the type of train.

 

[PHILIPE]

Using a site like realtimetrains.co.uk and the advances option will give an indication of the type of train.

NOT AGAIN HAVING TO POINT THIS OUT. RTT does NOT tell you what works a train. It tells you what it is timed for. An HST or Class 91 on the route both use the same timings.

 

[petersi]

Which is why I said indication. Not which traction.

 

[GB]

This says HST125
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y62242/2015/01/15/advanced

This says Electric loco with 450 ton trailing load
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y62183/2015/01/15/advanced

While there is no guarantee of a particular type of train on any service, petersi comment that RTT gives an "indication" of the type of train is entirely plausible.

 

[PHILIPE]

Which is why I said indication. Not which traction.

Oooops Sorry for misunderstanding you.

 

[Lee_Again]

Catch one of the Inverness or Aberdeen trains to be certain of an HST. 4 each way per day.

 

[Wild Swan]

NOT AGAIN HAVING TO POINT THIS OUT. RTT does NOT tell you what works a train. It tells you what it is timed for. An HST or Class 91 on the route both use the same timings.

Sorry but that's not correct. East Coast HST and Class 91 running times are different. On a non-stop KX-York run, a 91 is timed 2 minutes quicker than a 2+9 HST once the allowances are stripped out. East Coast's HSTs and Class 91s have their own separate diagrams and the timing load in TSDB/TRUST/realtimetrains reflects this. It's one of the reasons why the ECML doesn't have a perfect clockface timetable. Of course, EC do step-up steps in times of disruption which can cause HST/Class 91 swaps, but it mucks up the seat reservations, and planned alterations do take place from time to time, but if rtt says its timed for an HST, that's what it's booked for.

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

There's a 100mph limit at Newark Northgate. No trains go faster than 125mph in the UK except the Channel Tunnel raillink. Trains had gone faster, but it was deemed unsafe for faster speeds as the signals eould be hard to react to. The class 91s can go 140mph but aren't allowed to as they lack incab signalling.

 

[najaB]

No trains go faster than 125mph in the UK except the Channel Tunnel raillink.

There are scandalous rumours of trains exceeding the 125mph limit as measured using GPS and/or running time between known points. Naturally, the people making these reports were mistaken.

The class 92s can go 140mph but aren't allowed to as they lack in cab signalling.

I know the OP is travelling on the ECML, however it's worth pointing out that Class 390's are also designed for 140mph operation.

 

[The Planner]

Sorry but that's not correct. East Coast HST and Class 91 running times are different.

Glad someone pointed that out. Can vouch that HST+9 and 12591410 SRTs are not the same.

 

[edwin_m]

The class 92s can go 140mph but aren't allowed to as they lack incab signalling.

Think you mean class 91s?!

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

Think you mean class 91s?!

Yes, sorry I'll correct it now..