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Massive cuts at Global Radio

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Global Radio are to network Capital, Heart and Smooth breakfast shows, meaning the end of most local breakfast shows from Global Radio.

https://radiotoday.co.uk/2019/02/global-to-network-capital-heart-and-smooth-breakfast-shows/

Global will broadcast national breakfast shows on the Capital, Heart and Smooth networks by the end of this year, RadioToday can reveal.

Capital will go first with the London output replacing 14 breakfast programmes on the Capital network in England, Scotland and Wales on April 8th. Due to deregulation and larger ‘approved areas’, only nine drivetime shows will be provided instead of the current 14.

New rules will mean the merger of Capital Brighton and South Coast (Meridian), the merger of Capital Birmingham and East Midlands (already a merger of stations in Leicester, Nottingham and Derby) (Central), and the merger of Capital Manchester and Lancashire – being created by rebranding its latest purchase, 2BR, on the same day (North West).


London, Liverpool, North East and Yorkshire will retain a local Drive show, along with Scotland and Wales. The rest of the output will be networked with local news, ads and information.

Heart will get a single breakfast show across England, Scotland and Wales on all stations owned by Global and Communicorp in the coming months – putting an end to the current line-up of 22 breakfast shows and their teams. And instead of 23 separate drivetime shows, there will be 10 covering the enlarged areas.

For Smooth, a new national breakfast show will launch later in the year, replacing breakfast programmes in East Midlands, West Midlands, North West, Lake District, North East, Scotland and Wales. Drivetime programmes will be reduced to seven with the expected merger of Smooth North West and Lake District, whilst Smooth East Midlands will network with Connect FM once it has been rebranded.

All local and regional weekend programmes on all brands will end with national programmes provided on all frequencies.

No doubt Bauer will do the same with their stations.
 
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It was inevitable that this was going to happen once they rebranded and consolidated the local stations under the heart moniker, wiped out a bucket load of established local stations and their local branding.
Luckily in Dorset we still have stations like Wessex which whilst owned by a larger group do produce all programming locally, so it must still be a viable business.
 

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I'm sure that the Conservatives aren't bothered but this must just about seal the fate of local radio in many areas. I wonder if there is something in the OFCOM licence about those frequencies being only for local programming?
 

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Basically the death of that generation of local radio - but smaller Internet stations are already springing up, and some, like MKFM, have managed to get FM licences. So what goes around comes around. And there's still the Beeb.

The funny thing is that I'm not sure I see the future of radio in being playing out 10 songs on loop, because you can do that on Spotify and get to influence what the songs are. Surely the future of radio is something with more personality than the utter garbage that is Heart?
 

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The funny thing is that I'm not sure I see the future of radio in being playing out 10 songs on loop, because you can do that on Spotify and get to influence what the songs are. Surely the future of radio is something with more personality than the utter garbage that is Heart?

Interestingly I find the radio station with the most personality currently is Radio X, which is obviously also part of the Global family. Although that might owe a lot to the personality of many of the presenters rather than the content alone.
 

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I wonder if there is something in the OFCOM licence about those frequencies being only for local programming?
Ofcom reduced the 'localness' requirements last autumn. Most stations needed to produce seven hours of local programming per weekday, now they only need to produce three hours. And at the same time, the 'local' areas were expanded to regions - hence why having a regional drivetime programme now fulfils the 'localness' requirements.
 

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I find local commercial radio mind numbingly stupid. I find the breakfast shows to be presented by gibbering, stupid simpletons and the music to be the most asinine teeny pop imaginable. The "news" sections appear to have been created by someone looking at the internet for pointless celeb gossip and presented in the most brainless and dumbed down way possible. If this means we only have one set of these morons to listen to so much the better!
 

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I find local commercial radio mind numbingly stupid. I find the breakfast shows to be presented by gibbering, stupid simpletons and the music to be the most asinine teeny pop imaginable. The "news" sections appear to have been created by someone looking at the internet for pointless celeb gossip and presented in the most brainless and dumbed down way possible. If this means we only have one set of these morons to listen to so much the better!

I'd rather listen to none of them at all. I used to listen to BRMB in Birmingham in the "good old days" where the DJs were always half-decent (except for one who was a "Richard Head" in real life) but since the transition to Free Radio it's gone the same way as the rest of commercial radio. I agree with the same songs over and over again which gets very annoying, so even in the car I don't listen to the radio anymore. Maybe it's as I got older... Chris Evans on Radio 2 put me off radio again tbh, I've not listened to it since the revamp
 

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I have to agree to a certain extent that a large proportion of local radio is garbage. Listening online to various stations shows that some (Capital, Heart etc.) have a seriously small playlist, whilst others (The Wave Swansea) play a much more varied selection of tracks.

Heart is a serious disappointment as back when it first launched (1994?), it stood out from the local rivals (Beacon/BRMB) by having a wider playlist, but over the years it has become more similar to other stations. I remember being somewhat surprised on a trip to London in 1996/7 as to how different London's Heart was compared to the original, but now there is no difference.

I must admit that more often than not I have the car playing from a selection of MP3 files (600+) rather than the radio though.
 

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I must admit that more often than not I have the car playing from a selection of MP3 files (600+) rather than the radio though.

And then there's Spotify.

To me, the future of radio isn't music - it has to be quality speech radio - which only really comes from the BBC (give or take TalkSport). Why, after all, would you listen to 10 songs on loop when you can choose from thousands either from your own collection or something like Spotify, all on your phone? That said, I consume that kind of radio mostly by way of podcasts.
 

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To me, the future of radio isn't music - it has to be quality speech radio - which only really comes from the BBC (give or take TalkSport).

Agreed - although I find talksport brain rottingly moronic and populated by immature, gobsh*te presenters. And don't get me started on BBC radio and their love for vox pops!

Music radio is dead other than specialist digital stations.
 

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And then there's Spotify.

To me, the future of radio isn't music - it has to be quality speech radio - which only really comes from the BBC (give or take TalkSport). Why, after all, would you listen to 10 songs on loop when you can choose from thousands either from your own collection or something like Spotify, all on your phone? That said, I consume that kind of radio mostly by way of podcasts.

There is also LBC and talkRADIO, although the latter is now almost a poor man's clone of the former except for Iain Lee. Of course, you may not class either of them as "quality" speech radio.
 

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If this means we only have one set of these morons to listen to so much the better!
You know the problem with this - they will choose the most vacuous, inane morons and, across the stations, they have a large number to choose from.

In the run up to local stations becoming national, you can expect the current incumbents to try to out 'moron' one another in a race to the bottom!
 

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Even BBC Radio 4 has loads of repeats so spurning Radio Oxford for me now it is BBC Radio 3 or if using DAB Radio 4 Extra which of course is entirely repeats (but things like the Navy Lark go back to when I was a child, not a repeat of last week's or even the day before's broadcast)
 

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This is one of my interests.

At first commercial radio was absolutely brilliant. Round here we had, in the late 70's, Radio City and Piccadilly. City had the Great Easton Express, Mark Joenz' Saturday Night Out, Picc had roger day, Mark Radcliffe's Transmission and all sorts Stu Allen. Tons of other programming which just about every genre got played. Even Red Rose when it appeared had great evening programmes where the listener could dictate and they didn't mind if remixes were 8 minutes long. The last decent station we had was Kiss with Graeme Gold and Grannia Landowski etc but that became Capital and stuffed.

Now it's absolutely awful, as alluded to the same songs all the time. What I don't get is why record companies don't object, the vast majority of their stuff doesn't get heard? However we have internet radio now, and I haven't listened to a mainstream radio station for over 10 years - save for what I hear in shops etc. Mobile phone, tune-in, audi input to the car, job done.

At home I have about 10 favourites on my radio, the likes of Ibiza Sonica, Ibiza Global radio, JennyFM, Loca Trance + numerous schlager stations. Heart, Smooth etc can get stuffed. Also these stations are moronic DJ-free and don't have to have the ads to pay for them.

Personally Ofcom should strip Global/Bauer of their licences and give it to anyone who can stream an internet station on FM. But if we can listen online, why bother? Let the pirates have a go.
 

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This is one of my interests.

At first commercial radio was absolutely brilliant. Round here we had, in the late 70's, Radio City and Piccadilly. City had the Great Easton Express, Mark Joenz' Saturday Night Out, Picc had roger day, Mark Radcliffe's Transmission and all sorts Stu Allen. Tons of other programming which just about every genre got played. Even Red Rose when it appeared had great evening programmes where the listener could dictate and they didn't mind if remixes were 8 minutes long. The last decent station we had was Kiss with Graeme Gold and Grannia Landowski etc but that became Capital and stuffed.

Now it's absolutely awful, as alluded to the same songs all the time. What I don't get is why record companies don't object, the vast majority of their stuff doesn't get heard? However we have internet radio now, and I haven't listened to a mainstream radio station for over 10 years - save for what I hear in shops etc. Mobile phone, tune-in, audi input to the car, job done.

At home I have about 10 favourites on my radio, the likes of Ibiza Sonica, Ibiza Global radio, JennyFM, Loca Trance + numerous schlager stations. Heart, Smooth etc can get stuffed. Also these stations are moronic DJ-free and don't have to have the ads to pay for them.

Personally Ofcom should strip Global/Bauer of their licences and give it to anyone who can stream an internet station on FM. But if we can listen online, why bother? Let the pirates have a go.

Actually I'd say Bauer are a lot better than Global, listened to Kiss and Absolute, and apart from the adverts, the music was pretty good. Recently I've got bored of Spotify as it tends to play the same things.
 

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Actually I'd say Bauer are a lot better than Global, listened to Kiss and Absolute, and apart from the adverts, the music was pretty good. Recently I've got bored of Spotify as it tends to play the same things.
Spotify playing the same things? Ur doin' it wrong! Create your own playlist, or get an internet radio home page and choose your genre.
 

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Spotify playing the same things? Ur doin' it wrong! Create your own playlist, or get an internet radio home page and choose your genre.

I have about 500 songs saved to my library, so I play them all in shuffle, but still it only plays the same 30 tracks!
I play lots of 'radio' stations on Spotify, and still the same songs!
 

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I have about 500 songs saved to my library, so I play them all in shuffle, but still it only plays the same 30 tracks!
I play lots of 'radio' stations on Spotify, and still the same songs!
Ur doin' it wrong. Try any of the internet radio apps - eg https://www.internet-radio.com and pick your genre (search), choose a station and away you go. There are others, Tune-in, https://www.accuradio.com/ di.fm etc, anything without UK in the title does the job. Even single radio stations have multi-channels such as http://polskastacja.net or, my fave, Ibiza Sonica. Then there's always mixcloud, soundcloud and good old youtube. And with a decent recording app you can "tape" ie. record the sounds, but to save the bother I recommend https://streamwriter.org/en/ where you can record many stations of your choice at the same time, coup them onto USB and play them in your car, on phones etc at your leisure.

In fact, try that first, put in your genre, fave stations or whatver in search and let them play. When downloading (it's safe afaik!!) make sure you tick more than three channels.

Right now I have https://www.internet-radio.com/station/radioparty.pl/ on in my headphones, and streamwriter is catching it if I want to listen again (and ultimately buy/download the track). Eat your Heart out, Heart.
 

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Must admit I quite enjoy my own local radio station (owned by UKRD)...which shows it is impossible to keep everyone happy! I generally listen to it for around 30 mins in the car in the morning and then on my way home from work, the music is a mix of mainstream chart stuff and some from the 80s - though they could do with a larger 80s playlist - but judging by one or two posts on here that seems to a common problem not just confined to radio stations. One presenter was a bit annoying when he joined though as he clearly lacked 'local knowledge' but he seems to be better now. I've even heard another forum member read the news!
 

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As far as I am concerned, the only decent UK radio station for music is Planet Rock. Most BBC and many other music stations seem incapable of choosing anything other that current or past pap hit (or potential hit) singles. Planet Rock seems to be one of the few that chooses much of its music from album tracks rather than singles.

One of the worst features of the BBC is its policy of age targetting.
Radios 1 & 1Extra for teens and sub-teens.
Radio 2 for post-teens, 20s to 30s, but with relatively very little time devoted to "specialist" music - e.g. classic rock, blues, country, folk - maybe an hour each week if you are lucky.
Radio 6 is a bit better than the others, but still seems to be almost entirely "singles" when I listen occasionally.
BBC Local Radio music content seems almost like a clone of Radio 2, interrupted occasionally with local news & features.

Like Howardh, I used to listen to City's Great Easton Express, with the late Phil Easton - it had a great rock show until some bright spark (presumably management) decreed that it could only play little but "thrash metal", and the show was killed off a bit later. The same attitudes also ruined the late Tommy Vance's rock show on Radio 1 - "WE" don't want older listeners who like Deep Purple / Led Zeppelin / Moody Blues etc., we only want kids who want the current pap singles.
 

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As far as I am concerned, the only decent UK radio station for music is Planet Rock. Most BBC and many other music stations seem incapable of choosing anything other that current or past pap hit (or potential hit) singles. Planet Rock seems to be one of the few that chooses much of its music from album tracks rather than singles.

One of the worst features of the BBC is its policy of age targetting.
Radios 1 & 1Extra for teens and sub-teens.
Radio 2 for post-teens, 20s to 30s, but with relatively very little time devoted to "specialist" music - e.g. classic rock, blues, country, folk - maybe an hour each week if you are lucky.
Radio 6 is a bit better than the others, but still seems to be almost entirely "singles" when I listen occasionally.
BBC Local Radio music content seems almost like a clone of Radio 2, interrupted occasionally with local news & features.

Like Howardh, I used to listen to City's Great Easton Express, with the late Phil Easton - it had a great rock show until some bright spark (presumably management) decreed that it could only play little but "thrash metal", and the show was killed off a bit later. The same attitudes also ruined the late Tommy Vance's rock show on Radio 1 - "WE" don't want older listeners who like Deep Purple / Led Zeppelin / Moody Blues etc., we only want kids who want the current pap singles.
The thing is though there is still a market for the older stuff. My daughter (nearly 18) is always pinching albums from my record collection - Pink Floyd, Sabbath, Maiden etc. Her friends love it and know all the songs too...
They love the older stuff but are being starved of it on the radio station that supposedly speaks for their 'generation' - Radio 1.
I feel sorry for the overproduced rubbish that's punted at them nowadays I really do.
It makes me realise how lucky my generation was when it came to music.
When I was growing up my family listened to a mixture of Radio 1 and Radio 2 and enjoyed it as a whole.
We went to Radio 1 roadshows together as a family on the beach at Exmouth, Bude or Torquay, and I borrowed my parents records too - The Beatles, The Moody Blues, The Mamas and the Papas etc.
It was far simpler and more innocent. And ignorance was bliss to be honest.
 

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Interesting discussion on The Media Show about this (R4, 27/02/19, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002r0y ). Main pitfalls mentioned were lack of local voice* and possible move towards more national advertising which might encourage local advertisers to look elsewhere.

* - I remember when I started listening (occasionally) to BRMB, when Les Ross was The Boss. He was obvious aimed to appeal to a 'Brummie' audience with an apparently slightly exaggerated accent. Whether there is a need for this is debateable.
 

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I think that this thread is like the recent one on internet shopping, where a few people project their "norms" onto the rest of the UK population - e.g. the people who do the vast majority of their shopping online don't realise that most people don't operate like that - similarly the music aficionados wanting to avoid hearing the same tune twice in any calendar month forget that for most people the radio is a background noise providing a mildly distracting blend of familiar tunes, traffic updates, some news, some gossip.

It's not cutting edge, they play the same songs a lot of the time, but that's often fine, especially in a shared situation (an office/ shop/ family house). If I were living on my own then I'd maybe want more specialist stuff, I'd want b-sides from a generation ago, I'd want unsigned bands that nobody else had heard of, but a lot of people listen to the radio as a comfortable noise (rather than to discover a dozen new bands every hour).

It's hard to see a market for a lot of the stations that were around ten/twenty years ago, given the competition from elsewhere and the costs - whilst the Global changes are regrettably, it's the way things are going, unfortunately. But I do get nostalgic for a time when each town had their own independent radio station; just like you had different coloured buses when in an unfamiliar city, you had a different "sound", you had local heroes who were relative un-knowns outside the immediate area (just like you had proper regional television, not just a half hourly news bulletin).

Having seen the Global news, it made me google the radio station that I grew up with, the one where you felt like you had a relatively intimate relationship with some of the DJs, you listened to the evening show to hear fellow teenagers giving "shout outs" whilst you were struggling with homework. Spotify will never replicate that feeling of one person talking directly to you.

In hindsight, maybe that radio station was only kept alive because of the two rival double glazing companies that seemed to be hell-bent on buying up as many of the advert slots as possible to try to give them larger market share, I don't think any of the DJs went on to many bigger and better things (although a lot of DJs and light entertainment types did start out in local radio, an avenue that won't be open to future "stars"), but it was ours, it was real, it wasn't just an algorithm selecting songs, it wasn't the same national adverts, it mattered.
 

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Hmm, I'd expect the average age for Radio 2 listeners to be somewhat higher than that.

Zoe Ball and Sara Cox both now play plenty of teenybopper Ariana Grande crap, so they're clearly deliberately targeting a younger audience. I think they're aiming for the children of parents doing the school run tbh.

6Music remains the only station I can reliably tolerate, at least now they've shunted the cretinous Shaun Keaveny out to afternoons when I'm at work and don't listen. I dabble with Radio X but the adverts and Chris Moyles both really get on my nerves.

I like the radio because it's about more than just the music. It is nice to hear new stuff. It's also nice to hear stuff I wouldn't ever add to a Spotify playlist.
 

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I stopped listening to radio 2 when they got the gibbering Chris Evans on. miss terry wogan, especially the Janet & John stories.
so now its classic FM
 

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I've given up on radio, I use Spotify connected to my car radio now, I get much more freedom with what o can listen to
 
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