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At Marylebone, if there are two units in the same platform on two separate services, and their departure times are close-ish to eachother, whether booked or not, is it possible to advertise the platform for both at the same time, or do they always have to wait for the front one to depart before advertising the second one?
 
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It is possible, yes. But not routinely used for a few years now.
 

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Presumably the reason is too many passengers not paying attention and getting on the wrong train?
And not wishing to take responsibility for not paying attention and indeed getting on the wrong one. It would never be their fault, only the operators!
 

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Happens at St Pancras HL on EMR, a 10 car arrives and splits to form the xx02 and xx05 Sheffield and Nottingham, both board at the same time as they're only three mins apart
 

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At Marylebone they occasionally advertise boarding areas A or B (east and west respectively), probably in these situations. What’s the term for these boarding areas, that are not for splitting trains? It’s more of an advanced waiting screen.
 

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Presumably the reason is too many passengers not paying attention and getting on the wrong train?
It was in use from September 2018 until the pandemic and required two additional staff on the platform to direct passengers to the correct train, plus a pair of mobile information screens for each pair of platforms (one at the buffer stops end, one at the gap between the two trains.)
 

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At Marylebone they occasionally advertise boarding areas A or B (east and west respectively), probably in these situations. What’s the term for these boarding areas, that are not for splitting trains? It’s more of an advanced waiting screen.
I think this is more to try and prevent the stampede towards the platforms on the A end of the station and get people through the (quite small for a london terminus) gateline
 

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Happens at St Pancras HL on EMR, a 10 car arrives and splits to form the xx02 and xx05 Sheffield and Nottingham, both board at the same time as they're only three mins apart
And people absolutely routinely board the wrong train. I've even known the trolley hosts do it.

Platform sharing in the UK always goes badly. Norwich have a nasty habit of leaving an unlocked 755 on the blocks for hours and people constantly board them and get left behind when they want the little East Mids 158 tucked on top.
 

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Happens at St Pancras HL on EMR, a 10 car arrives and splits to form the xx02 and xx05 Sheffield and Nottingham, both board at the same time as they're only three mins apart

Which is often a shambles with poor signage, broken destination indicators on the train and unhelpful to invisible staff. Even more fun when there is an arrival on the opposite platform.
 

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Which is often a shambles with poor signage, broken destination indicators on the train and unhelpful to invisible staff. Even more fun when there is an arrival on the opposite platform.

I was a Loughborough commuter for 3 years when those trains left at St Pancras at xx26 and xx29, in my experience announcements were made every single time on the fast one that left first. People unfortunately have a tendency to choose to ignore things if it's not what they want to hear and instead of getting up and getting on the train behind, look confused and stay put.
 

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At Marylebone, if there are two units in the same platform on two separate services, and their departure times are close-ish to eachother, whether booked or not, is it possible to advertise the platform for both at the same time, or do they always have to wait for the front one to depart before advertising the second one?
OT - in the early 1990s, Oxford's platform 3 (north-facing bay platform), at certain times of the day, had Malvern/Worcester service (often a 155) waiting at its outer end and the Bicester Town service (motley 1950s/60s era DMU mix) waiting at iits bufferstops.
Both of these services were advertised at the same time; the Malvern/Worcester train called "the front train".
I lost count of how many confused people were often in the Bicester Town train and asking the conductor when it would reach (insert name of Cotswolds station)...
 

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Glasgow Central does platform sharing with quite a few ScotRail services, trains are advertised as being at (e.g.) Platform 9F and Platform 9R.
 

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Presumably the reason is too many passengers not paying attention and getting on the wrong train?
In addition to what CyrusWuff has correctly said, the timetable plan since COVID has meant it's not needed to be routinely used.

I can see potential benefits in further deployment in the future depending on what future plans look like.
 

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Which is often a shambles with poor signage, broken destination indicators on the train and unhelpful to invisible staff. Even more fun when there is an arrival on the opposite platform.

You could also add in unintelligible/inaudible announcements.

I've almost been caught out at St Pancras HL before.

But, apparently, some people think it's *always* the passengers fault. ( No doubt sometimes it is.)
 

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Which is often a shambles with poor signage, broken destination indicators on the train and unhelpful to invisible staff. Even more fun when there is an arrival on the opposite platform.
I was on the 21.02 to Sheffield on 25/04 and the 10 car arrived and split but they surprised me by having the front half the 21.05 to Nottingham and our train went from a different platform. We had a 5 car Azuma. I heard at least 3 announcements telling the Nottingham crowd to move down and board the front 5 coaches.
 

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And not wishing to take responsibility for not paying attention and indeed getting on the wrong one. It would never be their fault, only the operators!

That's a symptom of society in general that has developed over the last few years, taking responsibility for yourself seems to be fast becoming a thing of the past.
 

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We had a 5 car Azuma.
Is this a new service Azuma from STP?

Jokes aside. I've seen at Manchester Piccadilly that 2 trains in the same platform 1 to Crewe & 1 to Chester. Wouldn't board the Crewe had left. Double boarding would confuse everyone especially the last minute runners.
 

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That's a symptom of society in general that has developed over the last few years, taking responsibility for yourself seems to be fast becoming a thing of the past.

30 or so years ago there were two XC trains departing New Street for Edinburgh at the same time! One via Leeds, the other WCML. Mine was the Leeds train, and there was a woman with a ticket for the WCML one. That came to light when tickets were being checked, after we had left...
 

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30 or so years ago there were two XC trains departing New Street for Edinburgh at the same time! One via Leeds, the other WCML. Mine was the Leeds train, and there was a woman with a ticket for the WCML one. That came to light when tickets were being checked, after we had left...

I remember that being posted about before. I believe at one point they went from opposite sides of the same island and both were Voyager worked...
 

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I remember that being posted about before. I believe at one point they went from opposite sides of the same island and both were Voyager worked...

They were both Voyagers as I remember it, and went from fairly close platforms. Can't remember if it was as close as opposite sides of the same island.
 

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30 or so years ago there were two XC trains departing New Street for Edinburgh at the same time! One via Leeds, the other WCML. Mine was the Leeds train, and there was a woman with a ticket for the WCML one. That came to light when tickets were being checked, after we had left...

I remember that. My wife used to get the 10.00 Edinburgh via Preston as she was going to Lancaster. No end of people getting confused, especially the day the platform numbers changed back and forth one day because the WCML was late out if the depot

It got fixed by one becoming xx.59 and the other stayed at xx.00.
 

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30 or so years ago there were two XC trains departing New Street for Edinburgh at the same time! One via Leeds, the other WCML. Mine was the Leeds train, and there was a woman with a ticket for the WCML one. That came to light when tickets were being checked, after we had left...
Were they both shown as Edinburgh trains on indicators? I'd have thought the slower one would have been described as destination Berwick or wherever the penultimate stop was. On Southeastern and its predecessors, if trains divide at Ashford with both halves for Ramsgate, one via Canterbury West and one via Dover, it's long been the practice (back to the days of wooden finger boards) to display and announce the via Dover portion as only going to Sandwich.
 

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Were they both shown as Edinburgh trains on indicators? I'd have thought the slower one would have been described as destination Berwick or wherever the penultimate stop was.
Because they were different operators, who would be selling different tickets at different price points. It's not like the Ramsgate example where it's all Southeastern so they get all the money regardless - both operators would be wanting revenue for their Edinburgh trains here. It's not an unmanageable difference of journey time either, relatively speaking for an InterCity route, close enough that people would choose whichever is cheaper.
 

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Because they were different operators, who would be selling different tickets at different price points. It's not like the Ramsgate example where it's all Southeastern so they get all the money regardless - both operators would be wanting revenue for their Edinburgh trains here. It's not an unmanageable difference of journey time either, relatively speaking for an InterCity route, close enough that people would choose whichever is cheaper.
Ah yes, that no doubt explains it. Thanks.
 

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Because they were different operators, who would be selling different tickets at different price points. It's not like the Ramsgate example where it's all Southeastern so they get all the money regardless - both operators would be wanting revenue for their Edinburgh trains here. It's not an unmanageable difference of journey time either, relatively speaking for an InterCity route, close enough that people would choose whichever is cheaper.
They were both operated by Cross Country (Virgin version).
 

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They were both operated by Cross Country (Virgin version).
But it's a classic example of the crass stupidity of not having train numbers. Every (I think) other system in Europe (and quite possibly beyond) uses them but we persist with this "not invented here" refusal to accept that they have some merit.
 

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There aren't any booked departures at Marylebone anymore that require dual boarding. Certainly on the services I use there aren't any particularly tight turnarounds either. The "clock face" timetable in peaks seemed to have been written to avoid these situations that both occured pre pandemic

In my experience during disruption they just use A / B and board the service after the departure of the front units
 
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They were both Voyagers as I remember it, and went from fairly close platforms. Can't remember if it was as close as opposite sides of the same island.
It's still the case that there are two trains to Edinburgh at New Street platforms at the same time once every hour; the scope for confusion is slightly reduced for some passengers by the fact that they're different operators. Some of the XC departures go beyond Edinburgh so will have different destinations on the screen - which may add to the confusion as an Avanti with destination "Edinburgh" will be more obvious than an XC call at Edinburgh. According to RTT, there were two occasions today when the two trains were platformed on the same island - though the fact that both involved platform alterations suggests someone somewhere tries to prevent that happening.
 

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