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Tesco has had to pull several well-known brands from its stores after its main supplier, the Dutch firm Unilever, refused to continue to supply Tesco unless it raised its prices by 10%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37639518
Marmite, PG Tips tea and Pot Noodles are among dozens of brands currently unavailable on Tesco's online site due to a dispute with Unilever.
Unilever has confirmed it is raising prices in the UK to compensate for the sharp drop in the pound's value.
Tesco is resisting the move and has removed Unilever products from its website.
Unilever's finance chief said such price increases are a "normal" reaction to shifts in currency values.


These brands have all been pulled from stores:

-Marmite
-Hellmann's
-Colman's
-Elmlea
-Flora
-Solero
-Cornetto
-Magnum
-Walls
-Ben & Jerry's
-Pot Noodle
-PG Tips
-Lyons
-Lipton's
-Persil
-Knorr
-Bertolli
-Cif
-Comfort
-Surf
-Vaseline
-Lynx
 
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Aldi is predicted to follow suit.

Not sure where you have got Aldi are to follow suit. BBC reporting Aldi least likely of all supermarkets to follow suit, due to a very high proportion of their products being own brand.

The BBC are reporting Asda are expected to follow suit.

The BBC have also taught me something. They're reporting that a majority of aldi own brand stuff is produced in the U.k, so is less likely to be hit. I always thought it was all German stuff!

See 0656 update in the BBC live business feed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-37576897
 

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As it happens, a large proportion of Unilever's products are also manufactured in the UK, sourcing at least a reasonable proportion of their ingredients from the UK, so as Tesco is pointing out, it's questionable whether a cross the board 10% increase is justified.

It's certainly interesting to speculate on whether Coleman's or Golden Wonder would now be looking to raise their prices by 10% were they not owned by a multi-national whose trade is denominated in Euro's.
 

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Why all the scaremongering by these big Companies?
1) The exchange rate has been far worse in years gone by, no one seemed worried then !
2) We are in the EU for at least another 2.5 years or more !

I recall going on holiday to europe about 6 or 7 years ago, it was 1.09 to the pound then, but no one seemed worried, they reckoned it would recover 'over the next few months' although it never did ever get back to previous levels.

The exchange rates were far better when we had the Guilder. Franc and Mark !
 

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Tesco tried this last year with Kingsmill bread.

All that happened was that I just went and bought my bread elsewhere until Tesco backed down a month or so later.

I'll just do the same with Marmite, Flora and Magnum this time round.
 

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As it happens, a large proportion of Unilever's products are also manufactured in the UK, sourcing at least a reasonable proportion of their ingredients from the UK, so as Tesco is pointing out, it's questionable whether a cross the board 10% increase is justified.

It's certainly interesting to speculate on whether Coleman's or Golden Wonder would now be looking to raise their prices by 10% were they not owned by a multi-national whose trade is denominated in Euro's.

As they are a European company working in Euros but seemingly buying ingredients in the Uk, then doesn't it cost them less?

10 Euros will now buy around £9.06, when I went to Greece in July, 10 euros was around £8.33 (and that was after the initial crash). So these European companies are now getting more pound for their Euro.
 

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As it happens, a large proportion of Unilever's products are also manufactured in the UK, sourcing at least a reasonable proportion of their ingredients from the UK, so as Tesco is pointing out, it's questionable whether a cross the board 10% increase is justified.

It's certainly interesting to speculate on whether Coleman's or Golden Wonder would now be looking to raise their prices by 10% were they not owned by a multi-national whose trade is denominated in Euro's.

Given even UK sourced materials rely on many, many imports to actually harvest (the biggest one being fuel, amongst others), it doesn't mean that prices won't go up.

Ultimately this is a bigger problem for Unilever as they need their brands on the shelves to keep them as, well, brands! They won't go into these kind of disputes lightly.
 

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As they are a European company working in Euros but seemingly buying ingredients in the Uk, then doesn't it cost them less?

10 Euros will now buy around £9.06, when I went to Greece in July, 10 euros was around £8.33 (and that was after the initial crash). So these European companies are now getting more pound for their Euro.

That depends. If we're sourcing more ingredients from within the company, but outside of the UK, they'll be invoicing the parts of the company in the UK more.
 

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The BBC have also taught me something. They're reporting that a majority of aldi own brand stuff is produced in the U.k, so is less likely to be hit. I always thought it was all German stuff!

UK ALDI is very Anglicised. If you want actual German stuff Lidl is better.
 

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UK ALDI is very Anglicised. If you want actual German stuff Lidl is better.

That is what BBC have reported, and why they will be less impacted. The only branded stuff I can think of in my local store is stuff on their weekly specials - they had Old El Paso dinner kits recently for example.
 

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Given even UK sourced materials rely on many, many imports to actually harvest (the biggest one being fuel, amongst others), it doesn't mean that prices won't go up.

Ultimately this is a bigger problem for Unilever as they need their brands on the shelves to keep them as, well, brands! They won't go into these kind of disputes lightly.

Indeed. In this situation, prices will undoubtedly go up. How much is justified, and whether that's the case for whole ranges of products, regardless of what proportion are sourced elsewhere, remains to be seen.
 

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That is what BBC have reported, and why they will be less impacted. The only branded stuff I can think of in my local store is stuff on their weekly specials - they had Old El Paso dinner kits recently for example.

Aldi do stock Marmite though, it's probably this solitary product that they are threatening to pull.

In fact, it's about the only product I can think of that they haven't copied with their own version!
 

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There's some nice alternatives to those, instead of Flora for instance you've got Clover, CountryLife or Utterly Butterly (You might say I'm biased though naming those alternatives :lol: )
 

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Unilever- a company that started off on the Wirral, very much part of the UK- have been trying to extricate themselves from a big chunk of their food business for at least the last three years, because it hasn't been making them enough money. They spun off the margarines and spreads bit into a separate subsidiary back in early 2015.

I'd say the 10% increases were less about the falling pound and more about trying to price-gouge to make the business more attractive to potential private equity purchasers.

Companies like Unilever and Heinz- who moved production of HP Sauce to the Netherlands- chose to move their manufacturing plants into the EU because it was cheaper for them. They put thousands of UK workers out of a job. And now they expect us to cough up more to pay for their mistake. No. Good for Tesco (and I never thought I'd say that!).

ETA: As for Marmite, I've just bought a 500g tub of it from Costco, so Unilever can do their worst :lol:
 
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Marmite is trending topic in the Netherlands. > Tesco pulls popular brands and people are losing it.
 

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As it happens, a large proportion of Unilever's products are also manufactured in the UK, sourcing at least a reasonable proportion of their ingredients from the UK, so as Tesco is pointing out, it's questionable whether a cross the board 10% increase is justified.

The pound has fallen by a lot more than 10% over the last year (remember, it's not just post-referendum. It had been slowly falling over the previous year, which most analysts seem to believe was a result of the uncertainty caused by the upcoming referendum). So if a firm was responding to a proportion of its costs coming from outside the UK, and a proportion from in the UK, then 10% as an overall increase might well be reasonable. Remember, even if food is grown in the UK, it's possible that equipment or admin costs etc. may come from outside the UK.

Why all the scaremongering by these big Companies?

Probably because it matches reality. If the pound falls, then your costs measured in pounds rises, and basic maths says that if you don't raise prices to match, you're going to be losing money (unless your profits were previously so huge that they could absorb the exchange rate change, but that seems unlikely for most firms. The pound has fallen by something like 20-30% over the last year. Companies don't generally have profit margins that big).

1) The exchange rate has been far worse in years gone by, no one seemed worried then !

You'd have to go back a looong time to see our exchange rate so bad against not just one currency (the Euro) but the aggregate of world currencies.

2) We are in the EU for at least another 2.5 years or more !

I recall going on holiday to europe about 6 or 7 years ago, it was 1.09 to the pound then, but no one seemed worried, they reckoned it would recover 'over the next few months' although it never did ever get back to previous levels.

But this time - as far as I can tell - analysts are not expecting the pound to recover significantly soon.
 
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I'd be more concerned about a potential shortage of Persil, if only because it tastes nicer than Marmite :-?.
 

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I started buying Tesco own-brand version of Marmite a few years ago. Slightly different taste, but quite a bit cheaper.
 

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I started buying Tesco own-brand version of Marmite a few years ago. Slightly different taste, but quite a bit cheaper.

I've got a nearly empty jar of the real stuff and just bought a sainsburys own brand to replace it. The own brand is considerably lower in salt.
 

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richw, buy some extra salt then.

I'm concerned with Pot Noodle, I live off the stuff, best 50p meal.
I use Asda though as Tesco is expensive.
 

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Would real food not be a better option? Even as a student i didn't eat pot noodles. They ming!

I dont mind a pot noodle every now and then - fills a gap quickly. Then again the mug shots from Aldi do the same job and theyre even cheaper.
 

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Unilever trying it on in Ireland.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2016/1013/823654-tesco-unilever-row/
A disagreement with Unilever means large number of its products may not be stocked in Centra and SuperValu stores here.
The UK-based group is seeking significant price increases ranging from 10% to 19%, according to documentation seen by RTÉ News.
Musgrave, the group which owns Centra and SuperValu, has baulked at the price increases and Unilever is refusing to honour orders from Musgrave.
It means some retailers here may run out of Unilever stock if the disagreement is not resolved.
Unilever acting the maggot here.

Marmite looks like it tastes. S***e!
 
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richw, buy some extra salt then.

I'm concerned with Pot Noodle, I live off the stuff, best 50p meal.
I use Asda though as Tesco is expensive.

No I won't buy extra salt. Lower in salt is a positive other than in your diet clearly living off pot noodles. Your painting a picture or malnourishment
 

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Certainly smacks of attempted profiteering by Uniliver. Mind you Asda tried it on a few years ago with their [own budget brand] Smart price salted peamuts. They upped the price from 48p to 60p that's a 25% price hike, then a fortnight latter they upped the price again by 10p to 70p making it near as makes no differance a 50% price hike in 3 weeks.Needless to say in the 4th week there was an almost 100% drop in sales. Thus somewhat hurriedly the price dropped back to 48p.
 
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