Map of speed limits on sections of track across network?

[tornado]

Hi,

Is there publicly accessible data in map form of the speed limits on each section of track. Would be nice to see what they are on a phone as I'm travelling along.

 

[Starmill]

You can refer to the Sectional Appendix but it's very clunky indeed. There's an app that will give you the reference to look up based on your GPS, or you can use the maps in the front. I'll try to find a link to it if someone else doesn't.

There may be a simplified version somewhere that only shows the prevailing maximum.

 

[tornado]

Doesn't look like it's publicly accessible for an individual

There is actually some data on https://www.openrailwaymap.org/ with the Max Speeds overlay, but it's a bit patchy. Would be great if some people in the know could contribute to that project.

 

[Ianno87]

Quite a lot of the Network Rail Route Studies / Route Specifications have a map of the study area, with key line speeds colour coded ; not complete granularity, but a general overview.

 

[Senex]

Doesn't look like it's publicly accessible for an individual

There is actually some data on https://www.openrailwaymap.org/ with the Max Speeds overlay, but it's a bit patchy. Would be great if some people in the know could contribute to that project.

The British information seems not only a bit thin and patchy but also a bit out of date. If you have a look at Germany, you'll see just how much detail it is possible to give in this form.

 

[swt_passenger]

Doesn't look like it's publicly accessible for an individual

There is actually some data on https://www.openrailwaymap.org/ with the Max Speeds overlay, but it's a bit patchy. Would be great if some people in the know could contribute to that project.

There definitely is a publicly accessible version of the sectional appendix:

National Electronic Sectional Appendix - Network Rail

The National Electronic Sectional Appendix contains detailed information useful to operators about network capability, as well as other data.

www.networkrail.co.uk

Scroll down past all the stuff about registration, you’ll find pdf versions.

 

[Bald Rick]

All the sectional appendices are freely available and easy to download. They are all on the device I am typing on now.

 

[tornado]

Ok, the information is there but a 100 page pdf wasn't exactly what i had in mind. Something which I could quickly refer to overlaid on a map would be far handier. Basically openrailwaymap.org but with full data.

 

[Bald Rick]

Ok, the information is there but a 100 page pdf wasn't exactly what i had in mind. Something which I could quickly refer to overlaid on a map would be far handier. Basically openrailwaymap.org but with full data.

100 pages? Try 1000!

What you are after doesn’t exist.

 

[tornado]

The free version doesn't seem complete anyway. The route I eventually found abruptly stopped half way through following it. Doesn't help that none of the text in the diagrams is searchable.

 

[alxndr]

Doesn't look like it's publicly accessible for an individual

There is actually some data on https://www.openrailwaymap.org/ with the Max Speeds overlay, but it's a bit patchy. Would be great if some people in the know could contribute to that project.

I really don't need to start another project, but it's tempting...

The free version doesn't seem complete anyway. The route I eventually found abruptly stopped half way through following it. Doesn't help that none of the text in the diagrams is searchable.

They are complete, they're the definitive source of speed information. They're definitely not user friendly though and sometimes routes are spread across documents or locations in the document.

 

[LAX54]

The free version doesn't seem complete anyway. The route I eventually found abruptly stopped half way through following it. Doesn't help that none of the text in the diagrams is searchable.

Are we on about the Sectional Appendix details ?

 

[hexagon789]

Are we on about the Sectional Appendix details ?

I take it they are but I'm guessing the OP isn't familiar with how they split what might be seen as one route into multiple sections across different parts of the Sectional Appendices

 

[ComUtoR]

They are complete, they're the definitive source of speed information.

They are not always accurate.

 

[hexagon789]

They are not always accurate.

Certainly the publically available ones are updated less frequently and last time I looked were only dated to February

 

[swt_passenger]

Certainly the publically available ones are updated less frequently and last time I looked were only dated to February

Kent Sussex Wessex, the one I often use does include updates in May.

What I find odd is that they don’t seem to update the date shown on the bottom left of text pages, which usually shows 2009 or something irrespective of the real status of the page, as shown on the amendment sheet...

 

[hexagon789]

Kent Sussex Wessex, the one I often use does include updates in May.

What I find odd is that they don’t seem to update the date shown on the bottom left of text pages, which usually shows 2009 or something irrespective of the real status of the page, as shown on the amendment sheet...

I assumed if the date on the page hadn't changed the information on the page hadn't either, if that's not always the case I must recheck some appendices then

 

[ComUtoR]

Certainly the publically available ones are updated less frequently and last time I looked were only dated to February

Let me clarify. There are speeds listed that are incorrect. Some of the speeds listed do not reflect what the PSR is on the ground and there is at least one that is on a route I sign where two different pages list two different speeds.

 

[hexagon789]

Let me clarify. There are speeds listed that are incorrect. Some of the speeds listed do not reflect what the PSR is on the ground and there is at least one that is on a route I sign where two different pages list two different speeds.

Right, understand where you're coming from now. I thought you meant in terms of the public ones being a bit behind.

I thought the Sectional Appendices, the staff ones, were supposed to be kept up to date and accurate?

 

[ComUtoR]

Right, understand where you're coming from now. I thought you meant in terms of the public ones being a bit behind.

I thought the Sectional Appendices, the staff ones, were supposed to be kept up to date and accurate?

My staff one is the same one issued as the public one. We do get issued updates via the WON but I couldn't tell you when they get updated to the digital version. My signal map gets updated every couple of months but that only lists the signals/junctions/line names etc. The Sectional Appendix also misses out some crossings too.

I've always been surprised Network Rail or anybody else hasn't produced a really decent map; especially in this modern 'digital railway'

 

[AlexNL]

Internationally, DB Netze have made a lot of information about the German railway infrastructure publicly accessible via their Infrastructure Registry (defaults to German, English available).

It would be nice if NR would have something similar, but I can imagine it not being beneficial to that many people outside of the industry (who already have access to the data in some way).

 

[Senex]

Internationally, DB Netze have made a lot of information about the German railway infrastructure publicly accessible via their Infrastructure Registry (defaults to German, English available).

It would be nice if NR would have something similar, but I can imagine it not being beneficial to that many people outside of the industry (who already have access to the data in some way).

Indeed — a site I refer to often! It's interesting how much variation there is in the amount of information that the various administrations put into the public space.

 

[hexagon789]

My staff one is the same one issued as the public one. We do get issued updates via the WON but I couldn't tell you when they get updated to the digital version. My signal map gets updated every couple of months but that only lists the signals/junctions/line names etc. The Sectional Appendix also misses out some crossings too.

I've always been surprised Network Rail or anybody else hasn't produced a really decent map; especially in this modern 'digital railway'

I'm surprised staff don't get a much more frequently updated version, but there you go.

 

[driver9000]

I'm surprised staff don't get a much more frequently updated version, but there you go.

It's the responsibility of the staff member to update their copy through the Weekly and Periodic operating notices. They used to reissue the whole thing every few years but I think the last full reissue was in 2013.

 

[hexagon789]

It's the responsibility of the staff member to update their copy through the Weekly and Periodic operating notices. They used to reissue the whole thing every few years but I think the last full reissue was in 2013.

I just assumed it would all be digital now!

 

[driver9000]

I just assumed it would all be digital now!

Some operators have gone digital but many are still in the paper, pen and ink era.

 

[hexagon789]

Some operators have gone digital but many are still in the paper, pen and ink era.

The way it's laid out on the Network Rail website gave the impression that staff had a specific login and once logged-in there would be digital copies of the SA kept fully up to date all the time, it just surprises me that that isn't how it is and in which case what's the point in having a staff equivalent on the Network Rail website if it's no better than the publically accessible one.

 

[driver9000]

The way it's laid out on the Network Rail website gave the impression that staff had a specific login and once logged-in there would be digital copies of the SA kept fully up to date all the time, it just surprises me that that isn't how it is and in which case what's the point in having a staff equivalent on the Network Rail website if it's no better than the publically accessible one.

There is a staff version called NESA (National Electronic Sectional Appendix) that predates the uploading of the SA publicly but I found it awkward and clunky to use. I've long since forgotten my login details. You could build tailored routes to suit your needs without having to wade through a binder full of largely irrelevant information.

 

[hexagon789]

There is a staff version called NESA (National Electronic Sectional Appendix) that predates the uploading of the SA publicly but I found it awkward and clunky to use. I've long since forgotten my login details. You could build tailored routes to suit your needs without having to wade through a binder full of largely irrelevant information.

It is the NESA I was thinking of