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Manchester Victoria to close ALL Easter weekend

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Shaw S Hunter

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Maybe they are fed up with overcrowded trains, fares too high to take the family, and/or presence of engineering work.? A big difference from the 1970s when they would turn out a few 3x3car Class 104s, even on some Sundays....

The world has changed over the last 40 years. Expecting the market for train travel to stay the same over such a long period of time is exactly the kind of thinking that made so many of the Beeching cuts necessary. Nostalgia is not a good basis for planning/running the railways.
 
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Will they use this time to resignal Salford central as P1 & 2 still have the old signals, not the shiny new LEDs, which have appeared in most other places between Bolton and Victoria.

Swapping an LED head in for an old style head is an overnight job for a small team not an engineering job - they're easy like for like replacements and in any case not all are necessarily being done at all, it depends on the condition of the asset.

For double pay....

I don't get double pay on any holidays. Neither do most other people on the railway. You usually get a day off in lieu to take instead at a convenient point for the business and yourself as per any other application leave day.
 

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I don't get double pay on any holidays. Neither do most other people on the railway. You usually get a day off in lieu to take instead at a convenient point for the business and yourself as per any other application leave day.

But if you get paid for the day you work, and you also get a day's pay when you take a day off 'in lieu', doesn't that equate to double time?
 

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I would expect such complaints about engineering closures elsewhere, but surely most contributors here understand that the railway isn't maintained and improved by magic faeries impervious to being hit by trains.
If you cannot tell the difference between information and complaint about a planned closure, I feel sorry for you.

And many thanks for giving a professional description how rail maintenance isn't done.
 

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Shouldn't Northern have finalised details of what they are running over the Easter weekend by now? Only Good Friday trains seem to have been fully altered to reflect the closure of Manchester Victoria. Sunday and Monday are still showing as a full normal service on lines into the station.
 

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STP isn't running anywhere like T-12 currently due to the various WTT re-writes, all hands to the pump so to speak.
 

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STP isn't running anywhere like T-12 currently due to the various WTT re-writes, all hands to the pump so to speak.

And won't be for a long time to come
https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2018/02/23-passengers-let-down-as-timetable.html

Rail News said:
Passengers ‘let down’ as timetable deadline slips
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THE deadline for finalising timetables for May has slipped, which means that the 12-week booking horizon will not be available to all passengers as summer approaches.

An internal review has been launched in a bid to discover the causes, while watchdog Transport Focus has accused the industry of ‘letting passengers down’. The Office of Rail and Road says it is concerned, and will also be investigating ‘how the issue arose’.

The Rail Delivery Group has attributed the delay to the unusually large number of timings which will be amended. These affect some four million services, or about six times as many as usual.

Other factors holding up the process include ‘a significant delay to the major electrification work between Manchester and Preston’. The RDG said: ‘While the vast majority of passengers will be unaffected, as 98 per cent use season tickets, walk-on fares or book less than six weeks before travel, some passengers will be affected and the industry is working together to ensure that nobody loses out.’

Jo Kaye, managing director System Operator at Network Rail, said: “This decision hasn’t been taken lightly, but there is significant change required in the timetable resulting from unprecedented investment, combined with short‐term changes to projects and plans, means that our timetable planning resource is at more than full capacity.

“We recognise this will be inconvenient for some passengers and can only apologise that we’ve had to take this step.”

Managing director of customer experience at the RDG, Jacqueline Starr, said: “While for the vast majority of our customers this change will have little or no effect, the reduced time to plan and book certain journeys may inconvenience some people and for that we apologise.

“Train operators are working together doing all they can to minimise the impact of this change on customers. That’s why, if people have booked on a train that is cancelled, delayed, or where their reservation will not be honoured, and they decide not to travel, they will be given a full refund. Should tickets go on sale at shorter notice than usual, people will still be able to get the same range of discounted fares as normal.”

This has not reassured Transport Focus, which said that an investigation it carried out before Christmas exposed ‘a number of failures to meet the 12-week target’.

TF chief executive Anthony Smith said: “Passengers have been badly let down and will be deeply frustrated that they can’t make plans with certainty. They are also at risk of paying more, so we will monitor the effectiveness of the industry’s no-quibble commitment.

“Network Rail and train companies need to do everything possible to minimise the uncertainty and make sure passengers aren’t out of pocket. The timetable must be accurate against the temporary six-week target.

“The rail industry must demonstrate that it has a clear plan to get things back on track and avoid this happening again. The Office of Rail and Road should carry out a formal investigation.”

The ORR has already indicated that it is ready to take action.

Chief executive Joanna Whittington said: “We have already called in Network Rail to explain the arrangements it has to minimise the impact on passengers and freight customers.

“We are investigating how this issue arose, industry’s delivery against its obligations and the ongoing response of all parties. We will want to ensure that any lessons learned from this are properly addressed for the future.”
 
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