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Major Disruption ECML (26/11)

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Just been advised that allegedly over 2 miles of OHL damage in the Tursdale Junction area caused by crane on back of a freight has caught the OHLE and dragged it down.

Trains queued in both directions.
 
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Just been advised that allegedly over 2 miles of OHL damage in the Tursdale Junction area caused by crane on back of a freight has caught the OHLE and dragged it down.

Trains queued in both directions.
Anyone know the headcode of the freight involved?
 

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Someone is going to get their knuckles rapped for not securing the crane jib, assuming that was the problem!
 

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This looks quite messy. Due to be travelling Newcastle-Edinburgh tomorrow morning...

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[Alt text] Real Time trains showing 6 services backed up before Tursdale Inc
 

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Seems southbound trains using the bidirectional facility to bypass the affected line. Just watched on the signal map 9M42 2057 Newcastle to Liverpool Lime Street Transpennine Express being routed over the points just before Durham station to call at platform 2, rather than platform 1, then travelling south on the northbound line as far as Tursdale Junction to then cross over to the southbound line again by the looks of things.

Picture 1 - map with points set to route train to platform 2
Picture 2 - map with points set to route train back to southbound line

Maps from https://signalmaps.co.uk/#darlington:4015
 

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This looks quite messy. Due to be travelling Newcastle-Edinburgh tomorrow morning...

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[Alt text] Real Time trains showing 6 services backed up before Tursdale Inc

Explanation of what they are doing for routing by LNER Twitter


Hi [user name redacted], due to the damage closing one line, signallers can allow trains to pass in both directions on just the one line. Unfortunately that does mean that it takes longer than usual and queues of trains do form. I would advise listening to onboard announcements.
 

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Seems southbound trains using the bidirectional facility to bypass the affected line. Just watched on the signal map 9M42 2057 Newcastle to Liverpool Lime Street Transpennine Express being routed over the points just before Durham station to call at platform 2, rather than platform 1, then travelling south on the northbound line as far as Tursdale Junction to then cross over to the southbound line again by the looks of things.

Picture 1 - map with points set to route train to platform 2
Picture 2 - map with points set to route train back to southbound line

Maps from https://signalmaps.co.uk/#darlington:4015

Interesting - the southbound services using the bi-directional signalling on the northbound line don't show on RTT.
 

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Interesting - the southbound services using the bi-directional signalling on the northbound line don't show on RTT.
Weird! I’ve just loaded traksy (https://traksy.uk/live/M+2+SLATEFD/M+1+JORDANH+-12/M+24+SNDRLND+-1) and doesn’t show. The one linked in my previous post is probably my favourite.

The Transpennine Service is now back on the southbound line so may show again.

Picture 1 - map showing train crossed over to southbound line.

Realtime Trains (RTT) does show the platform amendment to 2 - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:N30427/2024-11-26/detailed
 

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Open train times maps shows southbound services running on the northbound line

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Latest update that possibly it’s just the earth bond wire damaged rather than the catenary wire.
 
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Interesting - the southbound services using the bi-directional signalling on the northbound line don't show on RTT.
Weird! I’ve just loaded traksy (https://traksy.uk/live/M+2+SLATEFD/M+1+JORDANH+-12/M+24+SNDRLND+-1) and doesn’t show. The one linked in my previous post is probably my favourite.

The Transpennine Service is now back on the southbound line so may show again.

Picture 1 - map showing train crossed over to southbound line.

Realtime Trains (RTT) does show the platform amendment to 2 - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:N30427/2024-11-26/detailed
Unfortunately there is no public industry data on every signalling berth, so track maps either use insider sources or more often guesswork. As wrong direction moves aren't common the associated berths won't be used often, so might not appear in maps depending on the author. You can't add a berth on if you don't even know it exists, let alone work out where it's supposed to be located! (i.e. not the berth wasn't used over during whatever period the berth data from Network Rail was being tracked to make the map for that area).

But there is a public data set for the berths covering station platforms, so platforms are better covered than junctions / other locations / plain line for unusual movements. This is why RTT doesn't have an issue with the detecting the wrong direction platform alteration, even if it's very uncommon.

Hopefully this explains why things appear in some places and not others.
 

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Damage can not as been as severe as first reported, all services appear to running again normally and on time this morning.
Cold night last night for the teams repairing the damage.
 
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