Major Disruption At London Euston (1st - 3rd Dec 2017)

[Bletchleyite]

Well done for that then

Are they specific devices rather than just using wheelchair ramps for another purpose, then?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Is there now also signalling problems there as well? On OTT it shows **** in a few signalling blocks

 

[GW43125]

I arrived at Marylebone this evening (I was intending to catch chiltern) and saw the "welcome to passengers joining us from Euston" which is a good indicator the WCML is up the spout. Tube boards were stating no Bakerloo north of Stonebridge Park and DC services heavily affected due to "signalling problems" at Wembley-was this separate or the same incident but misattributed?

Also re the southern issue-there was a track defect around Clapham this afternoon which saw a lot of services pulled (I ended up on a very empty double 455 fast Clapham to sutton via the streatham fast spur) so it's probably not the best set of circumstances.

 

[8stewartt]

Looks like chaos! Wondering if there is a separate issue between Bourne end and Ledburn junctions as even class 4 freights and class 2 passenger services are being put on the fast between these two. Makes no sense why they took the north junction out.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Is there now also signalling problems there as well? On OTT it shows **** in a few signalling blocks

Well done for that then

Are they specific devices rather than just using wheelchair ramps for another purpose, then?

They were specially made - stored at obvious places - like Watford / MK / Northampton and staff trained on them (with refreshers of course) ....others have them now like Thameslink.

The first use , ironically , was when some scroats set fire one late evening to Northampton station toilets , off home they went gleefully no doubt , only for an isolation to bring their train to a stand for isolation reasons - so a rescue DMU x 2 was sent off to recover the passengers with the ramps. Information and description of the miscreants available - so these louts were cross transferred to the DMU and handcuffed by the BTP. A fine case study of wrong ones , getting done , when they thought it was a safe run home.

 

[Mag_seven]

Is there now also signalling problems there as well? On OTT it shows **** in a few signalling blocks

No thats not signalling problems - thats to allow for the wrong road movement (i.e. Southbound on the Down Fast) of the rescue loco to the striken train.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Is there now also signalling problems there as well? On OTT it shows **** in a few signalling blocks

This means the line is out of use (for now) - standard procedure ..

 

[ChiefPlanner]

I arrived at Marylebone this evening (I was intending to catch chiltern) and saw the "welcome to passengers joining us from Euston" which is a good indicator the WCML is up the spout. Tube boards were stating no Bakerloo north of Stonebridge Park and DC services heavily affected due to "signalling problems" at Wembley-was this separate or the same incident but misattributed?

Debris off the fast lines - landed on the UP DC lines - now cleared one gathers ..

 

[GW43125]

Looks like chaos! Wondering if there is a separate issue between Bourne end and Ledburn junctions as even class 4 freights and class 2 passenger services are being put on the fast between these two. Makes no sense why they took the north junction out.

I heard rumours of a track circuit failure around Bourne end Jn but not entirely sure if that's true. Watford north Jn wasn't so much taken out as never put back-it was removed to allow the remodelling of Watford Jn station when it was resignalled but they weren't allowed to take the possession to put the junction back because it was when harbury tunnel collapsed and blocked the chiltern mainline. No idea why they haven the put it in since though (it's been nearly two years now...)

 

[8stewartt]

In that case the interlocking for the north junction must have been installed then just the kit on the ground not installed. Will take a while to get a possession sorted to install it now.

 

[SPADTrap]

Got the 1638 Berko - Watford Southern - gamely kept going - but switching moves fast to slow lines slowed us down - freight shoved into Kings Langley and other loops. DC now running through I believe after debris cleared off the lines. 20L on the Abbey - but no issue (the isolation on the main line takes the branch out !)

The train to train transfer boards is an intiative I am proud to have pioneered back in 1996 after a shameful incident (caused by a displaced registration arm at Roade) - where a 321 was stranded with passengers on board for over 2 hours one Sunday PM - we developed this with other partners and it has been used a good number of times. That joint enquiry into that mishap was one of the best I ever called - pleased to see the concept and equipment still in use.

That's fascinating! Great work!

 

[ChiefPlanner]

I heard rumours of a track circuit failure around Bourne end Jn but not entirely sure if that's true. Watford north Jn wasn't so much taken out as never put back-it was removed to allow the remodelling of Watford Jn station when it was resignalled but they weren't allowed to take the possession to put the junction back because it was when harbury tunnel collapsed and blocked the chiltern mainline. No idea why they haven the put it in since though (it's been nearly two years now...)

It very much needs to go back in - when they can - the old Watford PSB were masters at regulating trains when they had it - and am sure that Rugby will be delighted to see it back.

In passing , I fought a battle eons ago to retain Kings Langley Up slow loop and the down slow to up slow crossover at Hemel - both of which have been just a bit useful at various times.

 

[8stewartt]

It looks like the signals reading from Watford platforms north to swap lines and the ground signals to read bang road across the junction are there, just no point work.

 

[a_c_skinner]

1H39 (the only one I am watching) is going to be 59L at Manchester Picc.

 

[tsr]

The DC lines are all now open after OHLE teams moved the displaced wires and associated debris. The trackbed of the WCML proper is, I believe, also OK for when the wires go back in. 5G29 is presently being assisted by the 1Z99 rescue loco, with the " **** " markings on the train describers being the signal sections occupied by the wrong-direction move of the loco along the Down Fast.

The stock from the 1A service working the replacement 9G29 is now approaching Birmingham Intl with a rather vivid 238mins of delay.

 

[Bletchleyite]

That's going to cost a quid or three in Delay Repay...

 

[tsr]

That's going to cost a quid or three in Delay Repay...

Only 200 pax or so... could be a lot worse! Though I suspect the rest of the departures from Euston this evening will provide a fair whack of claims in the inboxes of the TOCs affected.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

The DC lines are all now open after OHLE teams moved the displaced wires and associated debris. The trackbed of the WCML proper is, I believe, also OK for when the wires go back in. 5G29 is presently being assisted by the 1Z99 rescue loco, with the " **** " markings on the train describers being the signal sections occupied by the wrong-direction move of the loco along the Down Fast.

The stock from the 1A service working the replacement 9G29 is now approaching Birmingham Intl with a rather vivid 238mins of delay.

From a friend - DC lines opened at 1936 - just as well , as the (good old) DC has an honourable tradition of helping out the main line in difficulties.

 

[tsr]

From a friend - DC lines opened at 1936 - just as well , as the (good old) DC has an honourable tradition of helping out the main line in difficulties.

Passenger service didn't really start for another 20mins or so. My sources say the line was able to accept passenger services from 1954...

Near enough, anyway

 

[Bletchleyite]

Only 200 pax or so... could be a lot worse! Though I suspect the rest of the departures from Euston this evening will provide a fair whack of claims in the inboxes of the TOCs affected.

Oddly I got a completely clear run on the 1454 LM Brum-Euston as far as Bletchley, first thing I heard of any issues was the board at Bletchley having all the cancelled trains lopped off making it look rather sparse.

(Is that one that gets overtaken? I let the 1414 go as it was full and standing, the 54 had plenty of room most of the time)

 

[thedbdiboy]

I'm wondering if ticket acceptance will be the same when Govia lose the London Midland franchise. At the moment they are pretty quick at accepting cross London transfers when Southern aren't in the mood to run the WLL.

It will, it's a requirement of the Ticketing & Settlement Agreement so not reliant on any bilateral relationship

 

[causton]

Oddly I got a completely clear run on the 1454 LM Brum-Euston as far as Bletchley, first thing I heard of any issues was the board at Bletchley having all the cancelled trains lopped off making it look rather sparse.

(Is that one that gets overtaken? I let the 1414 go as it was full and standing, the 54 had plenty of room most of the time)

I was on that train as well!

No, the xx13 off Euston would have been around five minutes behind though it would have not overtaken it.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I was on that train as well!

Er, possibly hello, then?

I was in the rearmost left hand (facing direction of travel) window seat in the front coach from New St (which would have become the 5th coach south of Northampton). Reading this forum on my laptop for a fair chunk of it.

Edit: oh, er, I'm talking southbound, not the xx54 off Euston.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Passenger service didn't really start for another 20mins or so. My sources say the line was able to accept passenger services from 1954...

Near enough, anyway

Sounds about right for the Control and the train driver to be advised. As said before - the DC line is / can be a great help.

 

[causton]

Er, possibly hello, then?

I was in the rearmost left hand (facing direction of travel) window seat in the front coach from New St (which would have become the 5th coach south of Northampton). Reading this forum on my laptop for a fair chunk of it.

Edit: oh, er, I'm talking southbound, not the xx54 off Euston.

Nevermind I did wonder why you said 14 and not 13... been a long day!

 

[tsr]

After 8 hours, the stricken 5G29 ECS has finally moved from Harrow. There will be a further block on the Fast Lines and DC Lines shortly to tidy up the overhead wires. Unfortunately, despite my earlier positive vibes in the Caledonian Sleeper thread, it looks like the Down Fast wires will not actually be fully repaired until tomorrow night - just made safe until then, with no electrification in the area concerned. 220m of wire is damaged.

Meanwhile, in The North, a TPE has had rather a job getting through the Carnforth area, also due to OHLE difficulties - that train is 1S98 2000 Manchester Airport - Edinburgh, now 108 minutes late, having had to get assistance from another train. This time the train was quite possibly at fault but fortunately the wires were not brought down.

 

[weastebusdepot]

Also adding to the problem at the opposite end, there are currently major disruptions at Manchester Piccadilly

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...nchester-piccadilly-trains-cancelled-13984709

Although typical local newspaper exaggerations "Passengers travelling to and from the station are reporting numerous train cancellations" where as RTT doesn't show anything as being cancelled

Now reported as...

BTP officers attended Manchester Piccadilly Station on Friday 1st December 2017 after a report of a person coming into contact with overhead electrical lines and suffering injuries consistent with electrocution.

Officers from BTP attended the incident, along with North West Fire and Ambulance which was reported to police at 22:53 and is currently being treated as non-suspicious.

Paramedics also attended but the person was pronounced dead at the scene.

A file will be prepared for the coroner.

 

[Mathew S]

Also adding to the problem at the opposite end, there are currently major disruptions at Manchester Piccadilly

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...nchester-piccadilly-trains-cancelled-13984709

Although typical local newspaper exaggerations "Passengers travelling to and from the station are reporting numerous train cancellations" where as RTT doesn't show anything as being cancelled

Now reported as...

BTP officers attended Manchester Piccadilly Station on Friday 1st December 2017 after a report of a person coming into contact with overhead electrical lines and suffering injuries consistent with electrocution.

Officers from BTP attended the incident, along with North West Fire and Ambulance which was reported to police at 22:53 and is currently being treated as non-suspicious.

Paramedics also attended but the person was pronounced dead at the scene.

A file will be prepared for the coroner.

Have created another thread, but appears that someone climbed on to the top of a Pendolino. Very distressing, by all accounts.

 

[Lrd]

Still delays this morning with nothing going in or out of Euston. And also a points failure at Tring so the 0435 Milton Keynes to Euston is being held at Cheddington.

 

[toppington]

It also looks now like the slows are blocked in and out of Euston this morning too, from the messages from LM and Virgin.