LU Tube refurbishment

[MatthewRead]

What do you think was the best refurbishment I always liked the prototype refurbishments even though I only ever went on the D stock prototype but I use to work with people who went on some of the other prototypes so come on people share your thoughts

 

[Bletchleyite]

What do you think was the best refurbishment I always liked the prototype refurbishments even though I only ever went on the D stock prototype but I use to work with people who went on some of the other prototypes so come on people share your thoughts

I thought the idea of each line having its colour included in the colour of the interior was a good idea, and that having abandoned this for a standard blue and red is a shame.

 

[Mikey C]

I really like the D stock refurbishment. The curvy handrails give it a very modern feel.

Generally the later the refurbishment the better, the 1973s feel a lot more modern than the 1972s (which lack the end windows and PIS).

The C stock was certainly a great improvement on what it was before, the longitudinal seating enabled a LOT more people to stand!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I'd consider the worst refurbishment to be that of the ( 1967 and ) 1972 Stock; the pointless bright white round lights on the car ends serve only to dazzle anyone looking in that direction - which is basically everyone who exits by the end doors. It also makes it more difficult to see people's faces clearly if they are standing with their backs to the end of the carriage - how that squares with being able to more easily identify people in the event of one of them committing a crime is a mystery.

 

[urbophile]

Design-wise it's still difficult to beat the 1939 stock which are still rattling up and down the Isle of Wight. As of course, until the Jubilee line of course, nobody has equalled Holden's sublime station architecture or Frank Pick's overall house style.

 

[Mikey C]

I'd consider the worst refurbishment to be that of the ( 1967 and ) 1972 Stock; the pointless bright white round lights on the car ends serve only to dazzle anyone looking in that direction - which is basically everyone who exits by the end doors. It also makes it more difficult to see people's faces clearly if they are standing with their backs to the end of the carriage - how that squares with being able to more easily identify people in the event of one of them committing a crime is a mystery.

Surprising that they don't have the end windows that the other refurbished stock have, when the A and C stock were done around the same time

 

[Nym]

Design-wise it's still difficult to beat the 1939 stock which are still rattling up and down the Isle of Wight. As of course, until the Jubilee line of course, nobody has equalled Holden's sublime station architecture or Frank Pick's overall house style.

1939 Tube Stock???
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Surprising that they don't have the end windows that the other refurbished stock have, when the A and C stock were done around the same time

Space constraints, there's a lot of equipment to move.

 

[urbophile]

1939 Tube Stock???

Sorry, 1938. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_1938_Stock

 

[cactustwirly]

Definitely the 73 and D stocks

 

[Hadders]

I thought the idea of each line having its colour included in the colour of the interior was a good idea, and that having abandoned this for a standard blue and red is a shame.

Agree with this - it added it a bit of character to the trains. Shame it's no longer used.

 

[Mikey C]

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Space constraints, there's a lot of equipment to move.

Never realised that, thanks.

One thing I've noticed about the refurbished 1973 stock, is that the seats are quite saggy and shabby looking now. Seeing that they'll have to last several years before the NTfL arrives, will they be getting another refurb job?

 

[TheNewNo2]

I do like the curviness of the handrails inside the D stock, it's an interesting contrast to the boxiness of the outside.

Though really, any refurb which removes door buttons is good.

 

[MatthewRead]

Does anyone know the exact date when each of the first and last refurbished LUL trains entered service?

 

[317 forever]

I like the refurbishments that had grabrails in the colour of the line in question, which happened with early refurbishments at least.

I liked the D stock refurbishments as the moquette seemed inspired by Transdev buses, which served the western areas along the line.

 

[321over360]

Im glad the Central Line still retains its red poles within the carriages, only annoyance is those awful bright blue seats which dont fit the character of the 1992 stock, would be better if they substitute them with how they did the Bakerloo refurbished carriages with red on the central line akin to the Bakerloos brown version

 

[ChiefPlanner]

I got a Bakerloo train yesterday - which appeared to have had the seats retrimmed in a rather nice 1930's style material.

 

[matt_world2004]

I think personally, that each tube train that operates exclusively on one line should be liveried in the colour of that line. It would aid tourists . There might be problems with the bakerloo and Northern Line trains but there could be another visual signifier for those, Like a black line trim going across the Northern Line trains and a brown one for the bakerloo line

 

[321over360]

I think personally, that each tube train that operates exclusively on one line should be liveried in the colour of that line. It would aid tourists . There might be problems with the bakerloo and Northern Line trains but there could be another visual signifier for those, Like a black line trim going across the Northern Line trains and a brown one for the bakerloo line

It wouldnt be such an issue if it is internal line coloured, however personally, the S stock have way too much yellow inside of them, especially the S8, they should have had purple poles as they only run on the Met line. But exterior of trains, red would be nice for the Central if it were more like the old LT Red used on the 1938 stock and not the red used on all trains since the 1992 stock were introduced and get rid of that horrible moquette design within the carriages unless it is line coloured

 

[Wolfie]

It wouldnt be such an issue if it is internal line coloured, however personally, the S stock have way too much yellow inside of them, especially the S8, they should have had purple poles as they only run on the Met line. But exterior of trains, red would be nice for the Central if it were more like the old LT Red used on the 1938 stock and not the red used on all trains since the 1992 stock were introduced and get rid of that horrible moquette design within the carriages unless it is line coloured

I suspect that dark coloured handrails may fall foul of the DDA rules.

I hate the idea of line-coded exterior paint - can you imagine lovely yellow or three tone S7 green, yellow and pink trains on the District, Circle and H&C? - the current corporate colours work fine for me and are part of a TfL family image carried forward by the Overground exteriors.

I also like the current moquette and again question the practicality of full line coding.

 

[Mojo]

I suspect that dark coloured handrails may fall foul of the DDA rules.

This is a popular misconception. Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations states that handrails "must contrast with the parts of the rail vehicle adjacent to that handrail."

When the 1995 Stock was introduced it had pale yellow handrails but in their recent refresh this was changed to dark blue.

 

[Nym]

Im glad the Central Line still retains its red poles within the carriages, only annoyance is those awful bright blue seats which dont fit the character of the 1992 stock, would be better if they substitute them with how they did the Bakerloo refurbished carriages with red on the central line akin to the Bakerloos brown version

Nothing has been done with the 1992TS in terms of "Refurbishment" or RVAR compliance yet.
The seat covers where changed pre-Olympics and the only other work being done is ongoing maintenance and reliability improvement.

I got a Bakerloo train yesterday - which appeared to have had the seats retrimmed in a rather nice 1930's style material.

It's the same design of material as any other LU Stock...

 

[MatthewRead]

What about the prototype refurbishments I'd like to know what you lot all remember about them.

 

[Mojo]

It's the same design of material as any other LU Stock...

It's a slightly darker, more brown version of the Barman moquette as fitted to 92, 95 and 96 Stocks.

 

[jon0844]

I don't think most tourists would know the colour of the hand/grab rails may signify what line they're on, except when reading it in a 'did you know?' box out in a travel guide.

I think the key is to make them stand out, as more infrequent travellers will want to see where they are than remind themselves what train they're on - which hopefully the CIS will do.

 

[Wolfie]

It's a slightly darker, more brown version of the Barman moquette as fitted to 92, 95 and 96 Stocks.

I would have said that it is a more brown/grey version whereas the original is predominantly blue/purple. Indeed I did wonder if the new vesrion might appear on the Jubilee and Northern lines in due course.

 

[Mojo]

I would have said that it is a more brown/grey version whereas the original is predominantly blue/purple.

That's exactly what it is; but I don't think I've seen any purple on the original.

 

[Dstock7080]

 

[jon0844]

What are the landmarks? I can make out the London Eye and I assume St Pauls?

 

[Nym]

It's a slightly darker, more brown version of the Barman moquette as fitted to 92, 95 and 96 Stocks.

The actual material is the same, I'm aware of the seemingly pointless design changes, since it was fine on the Central, Jubilee and Northern lines, but not for the Bakerloo...

 

[Dstock7080]

What are the landmarks? I can make out the London Eye and I assume St Pauls?

Westminster clock tower (housing Big Ben)
Tower Bridge