Low Speed derailment | West Allerton Junction

[mikemcniven]

Seems to have been a "Low Speed" derailment at West Allerton Junction. Information from East Midlands Trains.

Hearing suggestions it's a London Midland class 350, currently no services able to run to/from Liverpool South Parkway which will further impact passengers due to the planned engineering works at Lime Street

There has been a low speed derailment at West Allerton Junction. This is disrupting our trains between Liverpool South Parkway and Manchester Oxford Road on the Liverpool South Parkway/Nottingham/Norwich route.

At present Network Rail are arranging for a specialist team to re-rail the train. It is expected that this will happen overnight. It will then be possible to inspect the track underneath the train.

All of our trains on the route are unable to run in either direction between Manchester Oxford Road and Liverpool South Parkway.

At present we do not have an estimate as to when the line will reopen however updates will appear here overnight with information about the impact this may have on tomorrow's timetable.

Our 2148 Liverpool South Parkway to Nottingham will now start from Hunts Cross. If you are scheduled to travel on this train you will be able to travel on existing rail replacement buses between Liverpool Lime Street/Moorefields/Liverpool South Parkway and Hunts Cross to connect with the train.

You may use your East Midlands Trains tickets with TransPennine Express and Northern on the affected route.

We are still looking at further arrangements to keep you on the move and are working with Network Rail to understand how this may affect your journey tomorrow.

 

[GW43125]

Seems to have been a "Low Speed" derailment at West Allerton Junction. Information from East Midlands Trains

Has been discussed in the Lime St Blockade thread, a 350 on an empty shunt is in the dirt.

 

[TwinTurbostar]

The Liverpool Echo has posted an image on their article, but it looks like a 185 to me?

 

[Loop & Link]

The Liverpool Echo has posted an image on their article, but it looks like a 185 to me?

Nope - no crossover there. There’s a crossover further up, where the 350 derailed.

 

[TwinTurbostar]

Nope - no crossover there. There’s a crossover further up, where the 350 derailed.

I'm guessing it's a photo of a train held up due to the derailment then, and whoever took the photo mistakenly thought it was the derailed train.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

LM 5M93 (a 350) derailed on the crossover north of LPY whilst performing a shunt move. This will cause massive disruption to train services today due to the liverpool blockade.

As a result TPE and EMT services are suspended between Warrington Central and Liverpool South Parkway with buses to replace trains. Virgin Trains have diverted all LPY services to Warrington Bank Quay whey they will start and terminate and again buses replace trains between WBQ and LPY. I think NR can get as far as Hunts Cross but there's very limited turnback facilities available without impacting on merseyrail services already having to cope with the influx of Liverpool Lime Street pasengers.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Yeah the image is of a 6 car 185. Looks like an ECS movement, may well have been the one following behind which is now stuck (since moved)

 

[Dhassell]

The Liverpool Echo has posted an image on their article, but it looks like a 185 to me?

Doesn't look derailed to me. Maybe the usual press "stock image"

 

[mikemcniven]

LM 5M93 (a 350) derailed on the crossover north of LPY whilst performing a shunt move. This will cause massive disruption to train services today due to the liverpool blockade.

As a result TPE and EMT services are suspended between Warrington Central and Liverpool South Parkway with buses to replace trains. Virgin Trains have diverted all LPY services to Warrington Bank Quay whey they will start and terminate and again buses replace trains between WBQ and LPY. I think NR can get as far as Hunts Cross but there's very limited turnback facilities available without impacting on merseyrail services already having to cope with the influx of Liverpool Lime Street pasengers.

EMT services are now turning around at Manchester Oxford Road. I agree about that image on the article I feel that the train behind awaiting use of the crossover.

Was thinking overnight the impact of this could spread due to the access to the Northern depot where the 319's are stabled and maintained

 

[trainophile]

I know this is probably a "how long is a piece of string" question, but from past experience is the derailment likely to be fixed by tomorrow? Need to change plans if so.

 

[PHILIPE]

The Liverpool Echo has posted an image on their article, but it looks like a 185 to me?

Newspapers often print any rail photograph unless they've actually shot he actual one.

 

[gavin]

LM 5M93 (a 350) derailed on the crossover north of LPY whilst performing a shunt move. This will cause massive disruption to train services today due to the liverpool blockade.

As a result TPE and EMT services are suspended between Warrington Central and Liverpool South Parkway with buses to replace trains. Virgin Trains have diverted all LPY services to Warrington Bank Quay whey they will start and terminate and again buses replace trains between WBQ and LPY. I think NR can get as far as Hunts Cross but there's very limited turnback facilities available without impacting on merseyrail services already having to cope with the influx of Liverpool Lime Street pasengers.

No 5M93 on rtt maybe it was 5L93?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S01257/2017/10/06/advanced

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Damn autocorrect on my phone!!! It is 5L93. I even typed 5L93 yet autocorrect changed the L to the M!!!! Changes the Fs and the Ps when Im trying to write work reports etc. 185 gets changed to woo, very frustrating..... XD

 

[trainophile]

Possibly really silly question time... are the lines closed in both directions?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

yeah, nothing is operating in and out of LPY except Merseyrail. OHLE currently isolated.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Some images from the scene

 

[Foxcover]

Not being helped (for people trying to avoid Liverpool) by continued unreliability on the Wirral lines this afternoon (track fault at Green Lane this time) although Merseyrail seem to be doing their best with semi-fast working on quite a few Chesters to keep things moving (see their twitter feed)

 

[mikemcniven]

Some images from the scene

Another LM 350 out of action then

 

[M28361M]

Liverpool Lime Street Twitter just stated at 2.59pm that the train has been re-railed and will be moved soon, allowing damage to be assessed.

I'm supposed to be travelling tomorrow so feeling slightly anxious.

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[R4_GRN]

Do they use a crane to lift a derailed train or do they use jacks to lift it back onto the rail? A crane would be quicker I guess but that would mean cutting the power to the overhead lines?

Are their lifting hooks built into the carriage body to make lifting easier?

 

[TwinTurbostar]

A crane would be quicker I guess but that would mean cutting the power to the overhead lines?

The OHLE has already been isolated, according to @gimmea50anyday, so a crane could well be used.

 

[MichaelAMW]

LM 5M93 (a 350) derailed on the crossover north of LPY whilst performing a shunt move. This will cause massive disruption to train services today due to the liverpool blockade.

Am I right in saying that the train has derailed while passing in the up direction through the points that are normally the trailing end of the down fast to down slow crossover, and it was just about to go through those points to continue along the down slow and then immediately go over the trailing crossover to cross from the down slow to the up slow?

 

[Elecman]

Lines now reopened

 

[QueensCurve]

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Some images from the scene

Ouch! That looks bad.

 

[daikilo]

Do they use a crane to lift a derailed train or do they use jacks to lift it back onto the rail? A crane would be quicker I guess but that would mean cutting the power to the overhead lines?

Are their lifting hooks built into the carriage body to make lifting easier?

On the second photo, it looks like there is a hydraulic lifting jack just behind the nearest bogie.

 

[northwichcat]

Not being helped (for people trying to avoid Liverpool) by continued unreliability on the Wirral lines this afternoon (track fault at Green Lane this time) although Merseyrail seem to be doing their best with semi-fast working on quite a few Chesters to keep things moving (see their twitter feed)

They ran the late running 14:45 from Central to Chester semi-fast which allowed people to connect to the 15:35 Euston service from Chester (10 car.)

 

[adam9413]

Lines now reopened

The first arrival was 1F26 from London Euston at 2123 so the lines did not reopen earlier.

 

[Elecman]

There will always be a time lag between the lines being declared open and the first trains running again especially when they are already subject to planned diversion

 

[edwin_m]

Do they use a crane to lift a derailed train or do they use jacks to lift it back onto the rail? A crane would be quicker I guess but that would mean cutting the power to the overhead lines?

Are their lifting hooks built into the carriage body to make lifting easier?

There are lifting points in the body, marked by a yellow symbol of a vehicle with a triangle underneath. These are not hooks but are flat underneath to take a jack, but I guess a crane could be used with some sort of frame to transfer the load upwards. However there are very few rail-mounted cranes these days and a road crane would be difficult to get to many derailment sites, so I guess jacks would be used more often.

The most common use will be to jack the train up in a depot to remove the bogies, but they are obviously also important to minimise damage when re-railing, especially as the crews doing this won't necessary be familiar with the train type.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Can't exactly use a crane when there's a shedload of knitting above your head, live or otherwise....