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TheEastCoaster

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I'd like the 63 to go to every 30 mins and tie in with the 20 on the A8 section. I think it would be maximum hourly onto Balerno, most likely by just going the 45 route through Currie? Or is there scope to fire a bus out the back of HWU and along past Curriehill station? (new links etc...)

I rather see the 140 extend to Ocean Terminal than the QMU / Fort as this would create new links rather than replication.

The Dalkeith Heights 3's are a bit awkward in the timetable and indeed this area has been a thorn in their side as the access road through the new housing up there didn't get built etc...and the area has been served by the 33, 48, 49 and now 3. Unfortunately, there is no way to link those runs into the 139 or that would be ideal. Instead, I think a new local service might pop up in the Dalkeith area.

The 49 requires additional peak time buses into town in the evenings so I hope they are implemented - perhaps by tagging a working onto the front of an express working.

Regards the 106, I can't see that happening I'm afraid but they I do think might extend it over the Hospital to irk Prentice?

The 29 would be catastrophic at every 30 mins! They would most likely just run the 29 at current timetable back to the old terminus and only serve the Promenade with the "129" if they did re-introduce it.

I'd like to see an X13 tbh...could be done by extending the X44 along past Elphinstone Research Park and out to Pencaitland, even just two runs for now to test the water. The 113 has additional buses on the route at peak but it does need an express paired to it rather than more slow runs.

As much as the 63 would be handy being extended to Balerno, I doubt they would increase the frequency as they have stated there is no current demand, even if the 63 ommited HWU but still served the P&R folk can still connect with the 25/34/35 and 45 to the campus

I agree on the 140 to Ocean Terminal, since that doesn’t have a link to East Lothian and Midlothian and even Portobello which would tie all three of them together, especially if it went via the old 129 (Eve coaches) route past Fillyside!

The 49 is a disaster as a single decker route, it’s too long and cramped especially at the Royal Infirmary, if the 300 was extended from Cameron Toll to the Hospital it might pick up more of the heavy loadings off the 49, between the hospital and Surgeons Hall anyway and provide new links to Fountainpark and Slateford.

The 106 might get more improvement, especially if it was popular enough for a proper Sunday service! Again extending it to the hospital might work, if it followed the 400
Route or even via the Wisp down Greendykes providing a link to the housing there.

Seeing a 129 reintroduced (Seton Sands - Silverknowes) might work depending on the route it takes, since I think off the top of my head it would mirror a lot of preexisting routes already! Unless it ran via Milton Road instead of Portobello and down to Leith instead of the city and then Granton onto Silverknowes promenade? might be a little mix and match but that’s my guess :D

an X13 is definitely a good bet! Of all the East Lothian corridors Pencaitland is the one missing out on a proper express! Running onto the A1 after Tranent and onto Brunstane and then Limited stop to Haymarket!


Personally I would like to see an extended 300 to the Royal as mentioned above as Cameron Toll is just incomplete as a Terminus and especially when you can connect to so much more at the hospital (21/400) and it’s only an extra 5 minutes down the road!

* The 140 to ocean Terminal via Portobello and Fillyside
* X5 get a Sunday service
* 113 get the X13 at peak times and extend the N113 to Pencaitland
* 106 Extended to the hospital via the Wisp and a potential late evening service introduced between Musselburgh and Haddington/Dunbar (connect in Musselburgh from the 106 onto a 113 to Milton Road or 124 to Portobello)

*42 Extended to Silverknowes Promonade from Craigleith via Drylaw

*45 Extended to serve Gogarburn at peak times via Hermiston

*32 reintroduced (Balerno - Granton)
Via Currie, Wester Hailes Road (omits clovenstone), South Gyle, Gyle, Maybury, Barnton, Davidson Mains, Muirhouse, Granton Square

*30 Extended to Whitecraig

*X15 runs via A702 and Flotterstone (omits Bush) on Journeys to and from Penicuik, also limited stop in Morningside area now only serving Morningside Station/Churchhill and Bruntsfield Place, X15 also starts/ends at Waterloo Place, now runs along with regular service 15 at peak times

*Regular service 15 runs at peak times along with X15, later evening journeys introduced from Lochend/Penicuik. Hourly Sunday service introduced

*21 now runs every 15 minutes on Sundays from Royal Infirmary.

And finally the craziest idea ever
*New X21 introduces at peak times
(The Rural Express. Royal Infirmary to Gyle)

Runs all stops normal 21 route Royal Infirmary to Hay Drive. then Limited stop to Portobello observing Niddrie Mill, The Jewel, Milton Road Crossroads, Portobello Town Hall, Kings Road.

From Portobello the X21 will run via Seafield(observe all stops here) and then onto normal route at Leith Links, stops observing Seafield Retail Park, Seafield Cemetary and Seafield Place.

Then Limited Stop from Leith to Crewe Toll observing stops at Summerfield Place, Kirkgate Centre, Leith Theatre, Goldenacre and Crewe Toll (East).

From Crewe Toll the X21 will run via Telford Road via Blackhall and Drum Brae North to Drum Brae South observing stops at Telford Gardens, Drylaw Avenue, Blackhall Library, Hillpark Steps, Clermiston Drive, Drum Brae North, Craigmount Avenue North and Duart Crescent,

Then Limited stop from Drum Brae South to Broomhouse roundabout observing stops at Meadowplace Road and Forrester Park
Avenue.

Then all stops to Gyle Centre from Broomhouse...
 
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There need to bring back a fast bus for Tranent mainly down at Waterloo road, IE cut the 26 to every 30mins between Cockenzie to Tranent, have a new faster service from the scheme, maybe linked into the 113 to Wallyford then down the A1.
Is that not what the 104/X44 do? For its size, I think Tranent has enough buses.
 

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First Edinburgh Sightseeing Fleet:

ex-West Coast Motors (ex-Lothian) (Trident / Plaxton)
32726 - V526ESC
32727 - V527ESC
32728 - V528ESC
32729 - V529ESC

ex-Stagecoach Cambridge (Trident / ALX400)
32789 - ACZ7489
32790 - TSU640
32792 - ACZ7492
32793 - ACZ7493
32794 - ACZ7494

ex-Metroline (Enviro 400)
33500 - LK55KKT

ex-RATP London Sightseeing (DAF / Plaxton)
35010 - T210XBV
35011 - T211XBV
35012 - T212XBV
35013 - T213XBV


Think it's very cheeky that their using ex Lothian vehicles...
 

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First Edinburgh Sightseeing Fleet:

ex-West Coast Motors (ex-Lothian) (Trident / Plaxton)
32726 - V526ESC
32727 - V527ESC
32728 - V528ESC
32729 - V529ESC

ex-Stagecoach Cambridge (Trident / ALX400)
32789 - ACZ7489
32790 - TSU640
32792 - ACZ7492
32793 - ACZ7493
32794 - ACZ7494

ex-Metroline (Enviro 400)
33500 - LK55KKT

ex-RATP London Sightseeing (DAF / Plaxton)
35010 - T210XBV
35011 - T211XBV
35012 - T212XBV
35013 - T213XBV


Think it's very cheeky that their using ex Lothian vehicles...
Yeah... Using buses that Edinburgh Bus Tours were running until mid 2016 to compete with them. I'm curious to see how well they'll do with the tours.
 

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If service 15 went back to terminating at Prestonpans then that would be welcomed by many people who now rely on the 124. Also the 49 being run by deckers again would be nice, it's almost always standing only with just singles.
 

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If service 15 went back to terminating at Prestonpans then that would be welcomed by many people who now rely on the 124. Also the 49 being run by deckers again would be nice, it's almost always standing only with just singles.

I doubt I would see the 15 going beyond Lochend anymore, especially since the 124 practically replicated the route between Lothian Road to Meadowmill and runs later and on Sunday’s! Maybe if they extended/re-routed it down Milton Road to Seton Sands via Upper Prestonpans? Three new links all in one!
 

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If anything, you're more likely to see the 15 go through Portobello and into the Jewel or Portobello, Niddrie to ERI.

Although when the new sliproads are built, it's likely it may go Portobello, Fort Kinnaird to QMU. I believe services are being planned for the housing area behind Old Craighall (opp. QMU on the other side of the A1. So the 15 may be a contender.
 

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Also the 49 being run by deckers again would be nice, it's almost always standing only with just singles.
Yeah. The 49 is up there as one of the worst routes currently, if not the worst. It needs either its route shortened or deckers again. (Preferably it would get both though)
 

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First Edinburgh Sightseeing Fleet:

ex-West Coast Motors (ex-Lothian) (Trident / Plaxton)
32726 - V526ESC
32727 - V527ESC
32728 - V528ESC
32729 - V529ESC

ex-Stagecoach Cambridge (Trident / ALX400)
32789 - ACZ7489
32790 - TSU640
32792 - ACZ7492
32793 - ACZ7493
32794 - ACZ7494

ex-Metroline (Enviro 400)
33500 - LK55KKT

ex-RATP London Sightseeing (DAF / Plaxton)
35010 - T210XBV
35011 - T211XBV
35012 - T212XBV
35013 - T213XBV


Think it's very cheeky that their using ex Lothian vehicles...
Ahaha ex lothian vehicles against lothian, surprised they arent using any of the recently withdrawn First Glasgow tridents or Norfolk/Suffolk open toppers
 

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Can’t see the changes being huge tbh... probably just minor tweaks and a tidy up to improve reliability etc.

Wouldn’t have thought ECB could squeeze anymore buses into Musselburgh to be able to expand their network much further. Don’t forget they are supposed to be a stand alone company to Lothian so having buses spread over two garages wouldn’t really work for them (I’d assume?).

Agree the 49 does need attention, although how I’m not sure. Perhaps break it up and have a new 48 to compliment it and improve frequency on busiest section.

The new housing scheme at Wallyford must be opening up this year too - you’d imagine the 44 will serve there but they’ll also need faster peak buses (would slow down Tranent X44’s by diverting them into there so they’d need another plan).
 

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Suprised they arent using one of the panthers ?

The Levante's, at least the CityLink branded one and a couple others, still have ticketing facilities installed, or a position to re install these.

The Levante's also have lifts installed and are built to service coach spec, the Panthers are not.

The Panthers from design stage were created to be private hire coaches. The only service work they currently, and for the foreseeable future, undertake is tours and the odd Scotrail contract, even then these aren't regarded as service work, compared to CityLink.

The Levante's were bought with the view of running service work, the 913 and the coach used on it are a trial. If it goes well, other Levante's will regain their ticket facilities and will return to service work, which will need to be sourced. Theres talk of National Express work and more CityLink work in the short term, but who knows in the long term? Genuinely if it goes well, Megabus work may be sourced.

So far, the 913 is doing well, breakdowns aside. But the actual service is doing well. Just a shame the coach itself isn't entirely reliable, but this is being worked on.

Lothian Motorcoaches was set up to be more of a "boutique" operation, private hires, weddings, tours and parties. It just so happens that to run this type of service you need to make it pay when work is low. So some service work is being sought. I still don't think you'll see these coaches on schools work. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they repainted some of the B7's or more B9's for such work, possibly another subsidiary for such operation. We could see a company being registered in the next month or so called "Lothian Shuttle" solely providing school services and large event shuttles... Edinburgh Marathon 2020 anyone? Music Festivals?
 
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If anything, you're more likely to see the 15 go through Portobello and into the Jewel or Portobello, Niddrie to ERI.

Although when the new sliproads are built, it's likely it may go Portobello, Fort Kinnaird to QMU. I believe services are being planned for the housing area behind Old Craighall (opp. QMU on the other side of the A1. So the 15 may be a contender.
Where is it? From your message a think itsbetween the A1 and Millerhill train depot?
 

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Where is it? From your message a think itsbetween the A1 and Millerhill train depot?

The areas outlined in red are to have housing built in the near future. Various phases built around the A1 and railways. New slips are to be created from the lay-by opposite QMU, staggered slightly from the QMU slips. the East slip (on slip) at QMU is to be extended too.

Not the place to discuss housing, but lets just say it isnt a great idea. Edinburghs roads are clogged as it is and that particular part of the A1 can get pretty bad. But public transport for these areas will need to be arranged, its a huge area and Old Craighall doesnt have the best of provision when it comes to public transport.
 

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The Levante's, at least the CityLink branded one and a couple others, still have ticketing facilities installed, or a position to re install these.

The Levante's also have lifts installed and are built to service coach spec, the Panthers are not.

The Panthers from design stage were created to be private hire coaches. The only service work they currently, and for the foreseeable future, undertake is tours and the odd Scotrail contract, even then these aren't regarded as service work, compared to CityLink.

The Levante's were bought with the view of running service work, the 913 and the coach used on it are a trial. If it goes well, other Levante's will regain their ticket facilities and will return to service work, which will need to be sourced. Theres talk of National Express work and more CityLink work in the short term, but who knows in the long term? Genuinely if it goes well, Megabus work may be sourced.

So far, the 913 is doing well, breakdowns aside. But the actual service is doing well. Just a shame the coach itself isn't entirely reliable, but this is being worked on.

Lothian Motorcoaches was set up to be more of a "boutique" operation, private hires, weddings, tours and parties. It just so happens that to run this type of service you need to make it pay when work is low. So some service work is being sought. I still don't think you'll see these coaches on schools work. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they repainted some of the B7's or more B9's for such work, possibly another subsidiary for such operation. We could see a company being registered in the next month or so called "Lothian Shuttle" solely providing school services and large event shuttles... Edinburgh Marathon 2020 anyone? Music Festivals?

How can it be doing well when it's constantly breaking down!
 

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How can it be doing well when it's constantly breaking down!

"So far, the 913 is doing well, breakdowns aside. But the actual service is doing well. Just a shame the coach itself isn't entirely reliable, but this is being worked on."

The service runs, other vehicles may need to cover the dedicated one, but the service runs.

So the service does well, the bus doesnt.
 

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"So far, the 913 is doing well, breakdowns aside. But the actual service is doing well. Just a shame the coach itself isn't entirely reliable, but this is being worked on."

The service runs, other vehicles may need to cover the dedicated one, but the service runs.

So the service does well, the bus doesnt.

Yes I read that, but even then how can it be doing well if it's failing to get to point B.
 

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"So far, the 913 is doing well, breakdowns aside. But the actual service is doing well. Just a shame the coach itself isn't entirely reliable, but this is being worked on."

The service runs, other vehicles may need to cover the dedicated one, but the service runs.

So the service does well, the bus doesnt.
I fail to see how it can be doing well with all of these breakdowns...
 

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Was just passing through Ravelston Dykes while on the 38 and noticed a bus stop sign in one of the side streets (Craigleith Rise) did the 38 use to run down this way or even the 13? Just curious if anyone knows
 

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Yes the 13 did a loop here and returned to the City. Basically this was before it become a 2 bus operation, thus it could only operate this shorter route.
 

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The areas outlined in red are to have housing built in the near future. Various phases built around the A1 and railways. New slips are to be created from the lay-by opposite QMU, staggered slightly from the QMU slips. the East slip (on slip) at QMU is to be extended too.

Not the place to discuss housing, but lets just say it isnt a great idea. Edinburghs roads are clogged as it is and that particular part of the A1 can get pretty bad. But public transport for these areas will need to be arranged, its a huge area and Old Craighall doesnt have the best of provision when it comes to public transport.
Wow thats quite a big area aswell, cosidering the otherside of Millerhill yard right over to old dalkeith road is getting house aswell. I reckon when its all built there will be an extension of the 14 to old craighall via shawfair and maybe the 30 being rerouted to serve old craighall instead of musselburgh
 

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maybe the 30 being rerouted to serve old craighall instead of musselburgh
I take you are not aware of how popular the 30 is in Musselburgh? It has potential to be full at any time put it that way

I think for both Shawfair and Old Craighall it will be mainly new routes but a few extensions will inevitably happen. The 45 would be my choice tbh, currently terminates at QMU, none of the route lost in an extension. The 14 would be better going to Old Craighall but I think it will serve Shawfair, tbh it COULD serve parts od both
 
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