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Lothian Buses and ECB Discussion

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SpeedbirdA350

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Why not Omni? He knows the business like the back of his hand. Unlike the last 2 we had at Lothian, I have not heard a bad word spoken against him. First is stronger under his helm, which would only be of great benefit to Lothian if it were to happen (not to mention LCB).

It is my opinion and view point but I believe Andrew Jarvis would be a good appointment and good for business.

It won't happen, but if it did...
 
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Just make the livery Maroon and White with no crap added.

Don't forget the gold band under the lower deck window! Why not just go back to the old Corporation madder and white livery? It was simple, unique, classic and everyone knew that was an Edinburgh bus..
 

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Don't forget the gold band under the lower deck window! Why not just go back to the old Corporation madder and white livery? It was simple, unique, classic and everyone knew that was an Edinburgh bus..
That would be ideal.
 

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Don't forget the gold band under the lower deck window! Why not just go back to the old Corporation madder and white livery? It was simple, unique, classic and everyone knew that was an Edinburgh bus..
You want someone to use common sense? Good luck with that. :D
 
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He worked at Stagecoach, who nicked the queensferry route off First then went to First. Its not totally out of this world.
Yes, Stagecoach East Scotland 'nicked' something that could barely be given away. Then decided they didn't want it after all and simply gave up on the route. However I take the point that he went to work for First Scotland East directly after that episode.

You want someone who essentially runs the opposition to come run our company?

Nothing against the guy, think he's doing a great job.

But seriously?

Ludicrous
I don't think you should be looking at First as opposition to Lothian. They only overlap on a small number of routes. People seem to exaggerate the novel Lothian Country and Bright Bus ventures, which must be small fry compared to the core money-makers. Even alhough he's an enthusiast, I don't think he's the right person as a managing director for the business Lothian have in Edinburgh.
 

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Was just wondering earlier whether Lothian would swap Lothian Buses for the LCB buses over the next few weeks? With the reduced timetables on I would have thought they would have enough buses to do so. The bandit screens would give the drivers some protection.

Just a rambling thought.
 

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Yes, Stagecoach East Scotland 'nicked' something that could barely be given away. Then decided they didn't want it after all and simply gave up on the route. However I take the point that he went to work for First Scotland East directly after that episode.


I don't think you should be looking at First as opposition to Lothian. They only overlap on a small number of routes. People seem to exaggerate the novel Lothian Country and Bright Bus ventures, which must be small fry compared to the core money-makers. Even alhough he's an enthusiast, I don't think he's the right person as a managing director for the business Lothian have in Edinburgh.

I've seen comments/posts elsewhere suggesting the bright bus tours are making enough money to cover any potential losses for First in West Lothian. Surely that's absolute wibble?
 

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Was just wondering earlier whether Lothian would swap Lothian Buses for the LCB buses over the next few weeks? With the reduced timetables on I would have thought they would have enough buses to do so. The bandit screens would give the drivers some protection.

Just a rambling thought.
I had assumed they'd do that from day 1. They have buses at Newbridge they could use, or take some from Longstone or Central even as you said, there is enough. ECB too.
 

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I've seen comments/posts elsewhere suggesting the bright bus tours are making enough money to cover any potential losses for First in West Lothian. Surely that's absolute wibble?
Well the loads I saw on them were always decent enough (even in deepest, darkest January) so it wouldn’t surprise me too much.
 

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Ideally, I would like them to put via points in as well. Via points are not just good for locals who don't use certain buses but for tourists too. That said, I'd prefer them to have the dual screen like https://www.flickr.com/photos/westernsmt/38220948771 (not my pic).

IIRC, that was the original idea when digital screens were first introduced onto Lothian buses and the side screens also showed Via points as well. Unfortunately, these present screens are (or seem to be) narrower, so I doubt it would be possible to have that layout again.
 

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Ideally, I would like them to put via points in as well. Via points are not just good for locals who don't use certain buses but for tourists too. That said, I'd prefer them to have the dual screen like https://www.flickr.com/photos/westernsmt/38220948771 (not my pic).
The problem I find with this is that the Via points are too small to read until the bus is right in front of you. Even if they weren't, I would expect the majority of people will be using either the TfE Journey Planner or Google Maps, so all they need then is the route number and direction (shown by final destination).

That said, I do think special emphasis should be made if a bus is not going to be stopping at all the usual stops for a route, eg if it's running part route, limited stop or is diverted (this information shown in large text with the coloured background, if still possible). Similarly I think if the bus is going via a place of importance, this should be emphasized as well, eg via a hospital or park & ride (up to a maximum of one place, in large text).
Also if a route serves/doesn't serve a particular place depending on time of day, this should be shown with the route number (eg the 300 and 400 only serve RBS Gogarburn during the day(?), so for the 400 during the day it might say "400R | Fort Kinnard | via Royal Infirmary", and at other times "400 | Fort Kinnard | via Royal Infirmary". Using the route 22 from the photo as another example, this doesn't go via any hospitals or P&Rs etc, serves all stops and the route is the same all day and all week so this might be just "22 | Gyle Centre".
 

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A better view of the replacement dest font and it is so horrible. Just can't stand it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lothian_buses/49739813462/in/pool-lothianbuses/

I personally think it looks fine, get the job done anyway! Would be nice to potentionally see scrolling via signs like First do.

How are many of the services doing that are running anyway? Has anyone observed or been on any buses during the past few weeks for any reason and noted which routes are “busy” or running dead

Just thought i’d start a interesting discussion to get the call rolling during this dark time
 

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How are many of the services doing that are running anyway? Has anyone observed or been on any buses during the past few weeks for any reason and noted which routes are “busy” or running dead

Just thought i’d start a interesting discussion to get the call rolling during this dark time
I've only seen the 26 (Tranent) or 113, but neither have had any more than a couple of passengers whenever I’ve seen them - with a large number of empty services as well.
Also, I’d agree r.e. fonts. I don’t think it looks too bad.
 

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I’ve only taken 4 buses (2 to work, 2 from work) since lockdown was imposed and these are my findings:

113 that I took to work on Friday afternoon had a good 15 passengers on it, not convinced all the pax were making absolutely essential journeys though, some NHS staff and myself (A rail worker who can’t drive) clearly making essential trips. But unfortunately still one or two thinking it’s acceptable to just carry on as normal. Our trains are dead but there’s still a very small minority of tourists (I’m seeing maybe 5 per shift) heading to various places.

8 I got on Friday had myself, a fellow rail worker and 2 members of the public.

8 I got to work today had I think around 5 or 6 downstairs and myself and 2 others (A man and his baby).

8 home tonight was busier than anticipated but still dead. 4 downstairs and then once again 3 upstairs (myself included).

A boring read but thought I’d share my experience.
 

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I’ve only taken 4 buses (2 to work, 2 from work) since lockdown was imposed and these are my findings:

113 that I took to work on Friday afternoon had a good 15 passengers on it, not convinced all the pax were making absolutely essential journeys though, some NHS staff and myself (A rail worker who can’t drive) clearly making essential trips. But unfortunately still one or two thinking it’s acceptable to just carry on as normal. Our trains are dead but there’s still a very small minority of tourists (I’m seeing maybe 5 per shift) heading to various places.

8 I got on Friday had myself, a fellow rail worker and 2 members of the public.

8 I got to work today had I think around 5 or 6 downstairs and myself and 2 others (A man and his baby).

8 home tonight was busier than anticipated but still dead. 4 downstairs and then once again 3 upstairs (myself included).

A boring read but thought I’d share my experience.
seen 8s from my winpw on saturday through moredun and they were pretty much 4/5 people on it (from royal-town) all nhs staff (id assune)
 

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The new font is far too angular. I agree with above comments, old one was far nicer.
Don’t forget this new font is only being used in the existing mobitec units; it’s not replacing the font used in the hanovers. So it’s only a relatively small number of vehicles effected.
 

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Don’t forget this new font is only being used in the existing mobitec units; it’s not replacing the font used in the hanovers. So it’s only a relatively small number of vehicles effected.
however in reckon they should have kept the old one or upgraded them to hannover ones like 401-403 were or even better, left the original ones as were
 

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Skylink vehicles 434, 508 and 510 are being operated from Central on the 100 today.
 
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