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Longest intermediate dwell time

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GordonT

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Which journey currently has the longest amount of scheduled standing time at an intermediate station?
 
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The Fort William portion of the down Caledonian Sleeper currently has 63 minutes in Edinburgh.
The down Night Riviera had 96 minutes scheduled at Exeter St Davids this morning. In practice it arrived 17 minutes early so had a dwell of 113 minutes.

Maybe sleepers should be left out of this question though.

Derby sees some long dwells. The 0809 Birmingham New Street to Nottingham has a 22 minute dwell there (0850-0912) - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C48282/2024-06-03/detailed#allox_id=1
 

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The down Night Riviera had 96 minutes scheduled at Exeter St Davids this morning. In practice it arrived 17 minutes early so had a dwell of 113 minutes.

Maybe sleepers should be left out of this question though.

Derby sees some long dwells. The 0809 Birmingham New Street to Nottingham has a 22 minute dwell there (0850-0912) - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C48282/2024-06-03/detailed#allox_id=1
Yes it would be interesting to have a separate "non sleeper" total.
 

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I notice a lot of these quoted dwell times may involve a reversal of the train.

The sleeper at Exeter doesn't change direction so maybe look for longest dwell time without reversal!
 

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The sleeper at Exeter doesn't change direction so maybe look for longest dwell time without reversal!
2054 Nottingham to Matlock has 17 minutes at Derby (2120 to 2137)

0740 Penzance to Cardiff Central has 19 minutes at Bristol Temple Meads (1217 to 1236)
 
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I notice a lot of these quoted dwell times may involve a reversal of the train.

The sleeper at Exeter doesn't change direction so maybe look for longest dwell time without reversal!
But it does sometimes, which in conjunction with the extra time taken to divert via the Mule is part of the reason for the long dwell.
 

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The 2E58 Warminster to Gloucester waits over 20 minutes at Bristol Temple Meads, today arrived early at 10:44 so waited 23 minutes

 

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I don’t know if it still exists but there used to be a 24 or 26 minute wait at Southampton for a London to Poole service I think. 2 or 3 services overtaking I assume?
 

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For an Intercity type journey, the 05:43 Leeds to Edinburgh sits at York from 06:04½ until 06:27 - 22½ minutes, which is 1 minute longer than the journey time from Leeds to York! It is possible to depart Leeds 9 minutes later on a TPE and officially connect into this train at York.
 

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I don’t know if it still exists but there used to be a 24 or 26 minute wait at Southampton for a London to Poole service I think. 2 or 3 services overtaking I assume?
That was pre covid - no longer happens. When it did, it not only waited at Soton, but again at Brockenhurst, both for fasts to overtake.
 

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From tomorrow until early September, the 1630 Pembroke Dock to Swansea has a booked dwell of 47 minutes at Carmarthen, 1749-1836. (It gets overtaken by the 1706 Milford-Cardiff so I doubt anyone will be sat on it for that long.)
 

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I don’t know if it still exists but there used to be a 24 or 26 minute wait at Southampton for a London to Poole service I think. 2 or 3 services overtaking I assume?
Back when that service was part of the normal timetable, it was booked for about 20 mins at Southampton, but there was another longer dwell at Brockenhurst, and that one was nearer half an hour. Taken together it meant if you were at Waterloo, and heading for Poole, you’d be very badly delayed if you decided to catch the train that actually had Poole as its final destination…

I don’t think anyone’s mentioned so far that this subject was covered almost exactly a year ago?
 

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For an Intercity type journey, the 05:43 Leeds to Edinburgh sits at York from 06:04½ until 06:27 - 22½ minutes, which is 1 minute longer than the journey time from Leeds to York! It is possible to depart Leeds 9 minutes later on a TPE and officially connect into this train at York.
Why does it not depart Leeds later to avoid the long dwell at York. Is their no later path?
 

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Why does it not depart Leeds later to avoid the long dwell at York. Is their no later path?
I think it is left over from a change where it divided at York to form a train that isn't running at the moment. Something like the 0625 to Reading via Doncaster rings a bell. I think that train used to start at Leeds but was extended to start at York and run via Doncaster as part of that change.
 

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For an Intercity type journey, the 05:43 Leeds to Edinburgh sits at York from 06:04½ until 06:27 - 22½ minutes, which is 1 minute longer than the journey time from Leeds to York! It is possible to depart Leeds 9 minutes later on a TPE and officially connect into this train at York.

Great for a quick trip to Sainsbury's at York, as the one in Leeds doesn't open until 06:00 IIRC. Done that quite a few times.
 

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Not in the same league as some of the previous entries but ...

... the 1050 Liverpool to Newcastle has a 15 minute wait at Manchester Victoria which seems a long time for an important long distance train to be blocking up a busy through platform

Does anybody know why it is timed like this?
 

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Not in the same league as some of the previous entries but ...

... the 1050 Liverpool to Newcastle has a 15 minute wait at Manchester Victoria which seems a long time for an important long distance train to be blocking up a busy through platform

Does anybody know why it is timed like this?
The old timetable had 4tph from Man Vic to Leeds, ordered something like:

Liverpool to Newcastle
Man Airport to Boro/Redcar/Saltburn
Liverpool to Scarborough
Man Airport to Newcastle

With these services reduced to 2tph for most of the day, the MAN-SLB retains its usual path, and the LIV-NCL goes into the path of the LIV-SCA up to Man Vic, then waits to pick up the MIA-NCL path from Man Vic. The wait for this path is also created by presumably not being able to keep the timings of the original LIV-NCL path, with the additional Dewsbury call.
 
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