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F Great Eastern

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I've just booked an advance ticket that involves a layover of over an hour at Peterborough between trains.

If I asked the gateline staff at Peterborough to let me out so I could do some shopping at Waitrose just outside the station building, do you see it would be a problem?

I know technically advance tickets are not supposed to have a break of journey, but with the layover being so long, I assume staff could use their discretion?
 
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I've just booked an advance ticket that involves a layover of over an hour at Peterborough between trains.

If I asked the gateline staff at Peterborough to let me out so I could do some shopping at Waitrose just outside the station building, do you see it would be a problem?

I know technically advance tickets are not supposed to have a break of journey, but with the layover being so long, I assume staff could use their discretion?
Yes; discretion is likely to be shown.

Although Advance fares don't allow break of journey, they do allow the use of station facilities. At stations like Leeds, Kings Cross etc you have a wide range of options within the station, which aren't available at Peterborough so anyone with any common sense would allow this.
 

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Don’t get technical and start using words like break of journey, but ask kindly “I have a long time before my next train, can I please be let out to do some shopping and come back for my train?” And there should be no problem.
 

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I doubt they'd care.

Personally I wouldn't go out of my way to mention my intention to leave the station premises entirely, just in case I got somebody in a foul mood who wanted to make life needlessly difficult.

If they somehow had the impression you wanted to have a smoke, that might help, as that's not something you can do within the gatelines or, indeed, within the station. You'd have to go to Waitrose to buy the cigarettes, of course, and if by the time you got there you found you'd changed your mind and no longer wished to take up smoking, well, you'd be through the barrier by then, wouldn't you? ;)
 

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I've done that a non barrier station, but not a barrier one
 

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And, from memory, even the cash machine requires you to go through the station doors to the outside world. OK, who uses cash these days, but it's a reason to leave the building...
 

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Don’t get technical and start using words like break of journey, but ask kindly “I have a long time before my next train, can I please be let out to do some shopping and come back for my train?” And there should be no problem.
I agree with this - don't get technical. I normally just say something like 'can I pop and get some supplies'. Chances are the ticket won't work the barriers so you'll have to ask staff anyway.

I recently 'manufactured' a 6-hour change between trains at Newcastle using a through Advance ticket. Absolutely no issues being let in or out of the barriers for 'supplies'.
 

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Don’t get technical and start using words like break of journey, but ask kindly “I have a long time before my next train, can I please be let out to do some shopping and come back for my train?” And there should be no problem.
Yes, it's generally advisable not to get technical. And remember that what you say is less important than how you say it and how you come across.

It is also specifically inadvisable to use the term "break of journey" in this situation because the OP is travelling on a through Advance, which doesn't permit break of journey. Which is not to say there aren't legitimate reasons to pass through the barrier, of course.
 

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Several years ago I had an advance ticket with a change of train at PBO open the barriers.
 

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Another good one is to "pop out for a cigarette" because no gateline employee is going to deny that. I'd normally consider break of journey as getting off at a stop that you normally wouldn't (one along the route) and then coming back to board another train - I think it is unreasonable to disallow passengers to leave, especially on such a long connection.

I do agree with others as well, don't use any technical terms and just ask to go to the shops/pub/smoke.
 

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Was totally fine, said could I go to the shop and there was no issues whatsoever with it, just had to show the itinerary that showed the long layover.

Normally people have been fine with that kind of thing in the past with me, but I've had one occasion where I've had a cancellation enforced long wait and I was told I couldn't leave the station under any circumstance as that is what my ticket says.

As normal with the railways, most staff use common sense.
 

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"Hello mate, I'm just going the shop" or "Just going for a smoke mate" has worked 100% of the time even when I've had no intention of doing either.

(Don't ask, tell ;) )
 

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Several years ago I had an advance ticket with a change of train at PBO open the barriers.

Exactly the same experience for me over the weekend, advance (e)Ticket from my local station to Manchester via a change at Leeds and the barriers let me out at Leeds without issue!
 

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On a similar note (although perhaps a new thread should be started?), I was bemused today to have to get the 09:41 from Morecambe to Lancaster (10 minute journey) and then wait over an hour for the 10:57 to New Street, despite there being a 10:32 from Morecambe which would have allowed 15 minutes to connect to the same train at Lancaster, which is ample given the minimum for Lancaster is six minutes. I was on a single through Advance ticket from Morecambe to Hereford, purchased from Trainsplit, so thought I'd better stick to the given itinerary even though it made little sense.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have had any issue had I taken the 10:32 - the Northern guards, although they usually do check tickets, don't tend to study them too hard (not paper ones anyway), and the only reason I didn't was that it would have been Sod's Law that the 10:32 got cancelled at the last minute or heavily delayed, or some Revenue bod happened to be on that train scrutinising the reservation slips as well as the ticket.

Couldn't help wondering why the system didn't select the 10:32 in the first place, as the extra hour's wait seems totally pointless. I guess my ticket might have been a fraction cheaper (can't remember now, bought it a while ago), but it seems a bit petty to charge more just to avoid an unnecessarily long delay hanging around for a connection, cluttering up the station. For the avoidance of doubt I didn't select "add extra time". (By the way, is it possible to select "add extra time" for one connection when your journey involves more than one but you don't need extra time at all of them?).

It's not as if Morecambe to Lancaster trains are particularly busy, in fact on Wednesday this week I had a whole coach to myself from MCM to Bare Lane on the 09:01! I could understand that the 10:32, being the Leeds train, probably gets quite busy onwards from Lancaster, but I wouldn't be taking up a seat on it by that point.
 

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Yes, it's possible on the forum's site to specify interchange points and allow extra interchange time at some but not others (or different amounts at each).

You can also specify "must change here" at a calling point that is not a natural interchange point, and allow extra time there, thus forcing an itinerary where you step back a train (or more than one).
 

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I've not once had an issue with saying I'm off to pop to (insert name of station shop or food outlet here), or indeed saying I just need a smoke (I do, very rarely, enjoy a smoke).

Agree with the advice about not getting technical. If anything that just raises suspicion about doing something funny.
 
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