London underground strike

[Mutant Lemming]

I believe the ASLEF ballot figures were 97% in favour on an 81% turnout - pretty impressive and an indication of the strength of feeling.

 

[Dstock7080]

I believe the ASLEF ballot figures were 97% in favour on an 81% turnout - pretty impressive and an indication of the strength of feeling.

98.7% yes vote (1810)
1.3% no (24)
81%, as you say.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

98.7% yes vote (1810)
1.3% no (24)
81%, as you say.

Perfect answer to those (often elected on a minority share of the vote) politicians whining about the undemocratic nature of strike ballots.

Though it does also add more than a touch of credence to the line of thought that this strike is being provoked.

 

[Greenback]

The hypocrisy of some politicians takes my breath away! Unless they wish to bring in the same rules for elections, I can never support such a law on strike ballots.

 

[Busaholic]

The hypocrisy of some politicians takes my breath away! Unless they wish to bring in the same rules for elections, I can never support such a law on strike ballots.

Hear! Hear!

 

[Wolfie]

Fair enough, it's annoying if it is a regular occurrence, but depends on how often. I've worked much the same arrangement and used to sleep for about 3 hours when I got in. Your body/mind is largely refreshed after that brief time and I was back into a 'normal' day - and sleep pattern - ready for the following morning.

...but were you working in a safety critical role? I suggest you google "circadian rhythm" to find out why this is a really bad idea....

 

[Mojo]

RMT, Tssa and Unite have also announced results of their ballots, all in favour, and those three unions have also confirmed they will hold a strike at the same time as the previously announced Aslef strike.

 

[bengley]

LU have made a final offer which has been rejected by the unions.

LU will not enter further talks tomorrow and so it is now almost certain that the strike will go ahead.

There will be no service whatsoever on Thursday and trains will stop running early on Wednesday.

 

[TheNewNo2]

We APJNP employees have been told to attempt to get in, but if not then work at another APJNP site. An odd side-effect of strike action is that we tend to get days with no asset failures.

 

[Daniel]

LU have made a final offer which has been rejected by the unions.

.....

Today’s events at ACAS were really quite extraordinary. Having failed to change their offer for the last three months, management this afternoon (Monday) made a new proposal but explained that it was “time bound” and would be “withdrawn if its conditions were not accepted by 18.30 this evening” by all four trade unions and industrial action was suspended.
Management must have been aware that of course it would be impossible for us to comply with this ultimatum. We would need to properly consider the implications of the proposal and consult with our reps and the ASLEF Executive Committee. We offered to return to ACAS at 12.00 tomorrow to respond to the proposal but were told that it would be off the table after 18.30 today.
To be clear, ASLEF has not rejected the offer. It has been withdrawn because we, and the other three Trade Unions were unable to comply with an utterly unrealistic “take it or leave it” ultimatum. It is pointless for us to express an opinion on an offer that no longer exists.

 

[bengley]

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To be fair I'm an RMT member and am going by the emails I get from them. RMT have made recommendations to reject the offer.

“RMT is a democratic organisation and the views of our reps on LU are being taken into account. There will be a meeting of the union executive tomorrow morning at which there will be a recommendation to reject the offer. As is normal in all industrial negotiations RMT will remain available for talks.”

 

[jopsuk]

From that quote from ASLEF, it seems pretty clear LU were acting in an unreasonable manner. LU know the processes that any offer must go through for acceptance- review by union executive & reps, decision on recommendation to membership, ballot of membership. To demand that the unions circumvent that process in a matter of hours and then claim it was rejected is madness. The offer could have been for a 20 hr week at 100k per year with a gold plated Ferrari for everyone and the offer would still have been "rejected" as the unions could not move fast enough to accept.

 

[Simon11]

Advise from TfL of plans to get pasengers around London:

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/tube-strike

Interesting that Chiltern Railways are the only TOC to change their service as a result of the TfL strike. I presume this is due to them being unable to carry additional LU passengers on their shorter trains.

 

[Dstock7080]

Interesting that Chiltern Railways are the only TOC to change their service as a result of the TfL strike. I presume this is due to them being unable to carry additional LU passengers on their shorter trains.

Or perhaps the expectation that Amersham, Chorleywood, Rickmansworth, Harrow-on-the-Hill stations will be closed ?
(Managers to work the frames in the cabins then?)

 

[Mojo]

Or perhaps the expectation that Amersham, Chorleywood, Rickmansworth, Harrow-on-the-Hill stations will be closed ?
(Managers to work the frames in the cabins then?)

Except they can't be closed, because they are stopping trains, just in one direction only (against the "peak" flow), and in any case, these are above-ground stations so can be operated without staff in line with the current congestion control and emergency plans.

I remember from previous strikes Chiltern didn't run any services at all past Great Missenden, but of course since then LU has trained a number of managers as Emergency Signal Operators.

 

[infobleep]

When there is disruption to train or tube services, usually there is ticket acceptance with other transport providers. So if a rail line has a major signaling fault your ticket is accepted on tube and buses.

Why does that not apply when there is a strike?

 

[Simon11]

I'm not sure if there is really a need and issues with accommodating all the LU passengers.

If you have a Travelcard, this will be accepted on rail services. If you have PAYG, you pay the rates for the rail service journey.

 

[infobleep]

I'm not sure if there is really a need and issues with accommodating all the LU passengers.

If you have a Travelcard, this will be accepted on rail services. If you have PAYG, you pay the rates for the rail service journey.

If there is no need or issue then why do they offer such a service during disruption for reasons other than a strike?

 

[jopsuk]

you'd have thought they could postpone the running for this...

 

[infobleep]

To my surprised I've actually found that First Great Western have ticket acceptance during their strike so it is possible if they wanted to do it.

For example getting to Wimbledon on South West Trains, given district line is shut.

 

[greatkingrat]

I'm unclear what tickets you want them to accept?

Travelcards are already valid on NR. Oyster PAYG is already valid on NR. The only tickets that aren't are paper tube singles and presumably it won't be possible to buy one of those on Thursday anyway.

 

[bengley]

I'm unclear what tickets you want them to accept?

Travelcards are already valid on NR. Oyster PAYG is already valid on NR. The only tickets that aren't are paper tube singles and presumably it won't be possible to buy one of those on Thursday anyway.

Precisely

 

[Daniel]

To be fair I'm an RMT member and am going by the emails I get from them. RMT have made recommendations to reject the offer.

Understand your point. However others have said the offer wasn't rejected even by the RMT, despite them stating they would have recommended they do so. It should also not be forgotten as it normally is by the press that the dispute is not just about pay, nor is it just drivers on strike, nor is it just the RMT Union.

 

[Tetchytyke]

When there is disruption to train or tube services, usually there is ticket acceptance with other transport providers. So if a rail line has a major signaling fault your ticket is accepted on tube and buses.

National Rail tickets with a maltese cross are valid on London Buses on all reasonable routes.

 

[jopsuk]

Surely any note from FGW about accepting tickets is more of a reminder (as they would usually be valid) rather than an arrangement?

 

[TheNewNo2]

There was good commentary (audio) on the strike by James O'Brien of LBC. You can listen at http://www.lbc.co.uk/are-you-against-the-striking-tube-drivers-listen-to-this-and-think-again-112552.

 

[A-driver]

There was good commentary (audio) on the strike by James O'Brien of LBC. You can listen at http://www.lbc.co.uk/are-you-against-the-striking-tube-drivers-listen-to-this-and-think-again-112552.

I was listening to tht this morning on my own at home and practically applauding him out loud which was pretty sad of me.

But he is one of the few mainstream journalists out there willing to give the 'other side' a chance. Very refreshing after the wibble coming from nick Ferrari and virus Johnson minutes before his show.

He sums it up brilliantly. Well worth a listen.

 

[infobleep]

Precisely

If you need to get to say Wimbledon on the district line from West Brompton then I was thinkibg they would let you buy a ticket and then travel on overground and then South West Trains services from Clapham Junction.

If their is no need to offer acceptance, why is it offered on London Overground services?
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Surely any note from FGW about accepting tickets is more of a reminder (as they would usually be valid) rather than an arrangement?

I didn't know that and it came across therefore to me as only being the case during the strike.

 

[Tetchytyke]

virus Johnson

Autocorrect, I applaud you

 

[A-driver]

Autocorrect, I applaud you

Didn't notice that! But won't be editing it either as autocorrect must know who he is!