London "Not underground" ticket validity

[winebottler]

Hello - I've tried searching for a thread similar to this that already exists but had no luck so far.

The other day I was travelling into Euston from the north on an Advance ticket and planning on catching the 2254 from St Pancras to Brighton with a seperate £15.40 Off Peak Single ticket. However I the train was delayed by overhead power problems at Wolverton for 2 hours.

In the end I went to Victoria and caught the 0100 to Brighton - my original £15.40 ticket was "Not Underground" so I used Oyster to cross London but the ticket barrier at Victoria accepted the ticket with no problem.

NRE also suggests travelling from St Pancras to Brighton at this time of night in this manner, using this ticket.

My question is: Is this a valid ticket?

If so great, as a Victoria to Brighton Off Peak Single is £24.10, over £9 more!

 

[34D]

I don't see why a 'st pancras to Brighton route not und' ticket wouldn't be valid to start short at victoria.

Incidentally, you were wrong (in my view) to use oyster payg to cross london, noting the disruption. Virgin should have endorsed your ticket.

In any delay repay claim, you ought to ask for the payg money to be returned to you.

 

[island]

The intention with this ticket is it that it is used on a First Capital Connect service to London Bridge, but nothing in my view prevents its use as described.

I don't know if any Virgin endorsement would have been accepted on the tube or night bus, but I agree that a refund is in order, along with any delay compensation.

 

[RJ]

It's not valid from Victoria.

If a ticket is routed "Not Underground," then you can only use routes that would be possible by doing a through rail journey. ATOC have specifically said that these tickets are not valid at Victoria.

That said, if NRE shows the route as valid, probably because of some sort of easement, that should be sufficient to validate the ticket.

 

[IrishDave]

That said, if NRE shows the route as valid, probably because of some sort of easement, that should be sufficient to validate the ticket.

Are "Not Underground" and "London Not Underground" actually distinct ticket routeings, or are they the same? If they are the same, then it would seem to be permitted by Easement 700013:

700013: Tickets with the following route codes may be used to double back between Clapham Junction and London Victoria. (Any Permitted, London, London Not Underground, Not Valid on HS1, AP London Woking)

because then map LB will permit St Pancras-London Bridge-Waterloo-Waterloo East-Clapham Junction-Victoria-Clapham Junction-Brighton, and the ticketholder is then permitted to start short at Victoria (though not to use the Underground to get there).

 

[paul1609]

Are "Not Underground" and "London Not Underground" actually distinct ticket routeings, or are they the same? If they are the same, then it would seem to be permitted by Easement 700013:



because then map LB will permit St Pancras-London Bridge-Waterloo-Waterloo East-Clapham Junction-Victoria-Clapham Junction-Brighton, and the ticketholder is then permitted to start short at Victoria (though not to use the Underground to get there).

I think they are separate routes, from Southern stations "London not underground" appears to be used on tickets where both origin and destination are outside the Travelcard Area, eg Littlehampton to Sittingbourne, whereas "not underground" is used where one station is within e.g. Littlehampton to St Pancras i

 

[RJ]

They are different routes. Not Underground is used where one, or both stations are in London and the Snow Hill tunnel is the route that should be used. In theory, the East London Line can be used for some flows, but I understand that London Overground don't like "Not Underground" fares. Not Underground used to be adorned with the Maltese Cross, but this is no longer the case.

London Not Underground is used by a few TOCs, commonly Southern and Southeastern, where a doubleback along the London Bridge home straight, or doubleback at Victoria, or a transfer between Waterloo and Waterloo East is expected for example. Also for zonal NR fares within London that are priced by ATOC.

The OP's ticket was "Not Underground."

 

[yorkie]

Hello - I've tried searching for a thread similar to this that already exists but had no luck so far.

The other day I was travelling into Euston from the north on an Advance ticket and planning on catching the 2254 from St Pancras to Brighton with a seperate £15.40 Off Peak Single ticket. However I the train was delayed by overhead power problems at Wolverton for 2 hours....

If there were no FCC trains from St Pancras operating at that time, then you are advised to speak to a member of staff at Euston who will be able to assist you. You should be conveyed to your ultimate destination at no additional cost, as well as being eligible for delay compensation.