London NorthWestern Railway Class 350/2 withdrawal

[Gordonman]

This is planned, 2 Liverpool Diagrams have remained 350s.

This is planned, 2 Liverpool Diagrams have remained 350s.

Perhaps I should have worded it better - 'two of the six class 730 diagrams on the Birmingham - Liverpool circuit were worked by class 350 units today'
The other two diagrams ran as class 350 as booked but I'm sure you knew that anyway.

 

[DBS92042]

There's another movement Wembley Yard towards long Marston on Friday

Realtime Trains | 5Q08 1018 Db Cargo Fan A And B Sdgs to Long Marston Gbrf | 28/11/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q08 1018 departure from Db Cargo Fan A And B Sdgs to Long Marston Gbrf on 28/11/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q08 37407 + 350255 350238

Updated list on 28/11/25:

Stored Wembley Yard:
231/234/235/240/241/244/245/251/252/256

Stored Long Marston:
232/233/236/237/238/239/242/243/247/248/253/255/257/259/260/263/262/264/265/266/267

Active (or yet to be confirmed as off lease):
246 in service 28/11/25
249 in service 28/11/25
250 in service 28/11/25
254 in service 28/11/25
258 in service 28/11/25
261 last in service 12/11/25

 

[mansonlo49]

5Q08 37407 + 350255 350238

Updated list on 28/11/25:

Stored Wembley Yard:
231/234/235/240/241/244/245/251/252/256

Stored Long Marston:
232/233/236/237/238/239/242/243/247/248/253/255/257/259/260/263/262/264/265/266/267

Active (or yet to be confirmed as off lease):
246 in service 28/11/25
249 in service 28/11/25
250 in service 28/11/25
254 in service 28/11/25
258 in service 28/11/25
261 last in service 12/11/25

seems all will be moved to long marston eventually

 

[lesthebus]

350246+350249 paired on Euston to Crewe route today

 

[43096]

350246+350249 paired on Euston to Crewe route today

Even at this stage with so few 350/2s left, the old Central Trains “random unit allocator” is still in place and they’re unable to correctly allocate a 2+2 seated unit to this.

 

[45076]

seems all will be moved to long marston eventually

yes that's the plan

 

[Russel]

350246+350249 paired on Euston to Crewe route today

Oh, delightful!

 

[mansonlo49]

350261 out today, on 1Y31 to Birmingham, seen at Leighton Buzzard

 

[rogercov]

All 6 are still active 29/11/25. This is the current state according to RTT:

246+249 currently on Euston-Crewe services
250 (+110) currently on Euston-Crewe services
254 currently on Watford-St.Albans services
258 (+109) currently on Euston-Birmingham services
261 (+408) currently on Euston-Birmingham services

 

[mansonlo49]

All 6 are still active 29/11/25. This is the current state according to RTT:

246+249 currently on Euston-Crewe services
250 (+110) currently on Euston-Crewe services
254 currently on Watford-St.Albans services
258 (+109) currently on Euston-Birmingham services
261 (+408) currently on Euston-Birmingham services

Yes, I've seen 261+408 just now

 

[Mikey C]

Yes, I've seen 261+408 just now

I was on "261" yesterday, 2Y62. Not having followed this thread, I was surprised to see any 350/2s in service, especially on a longer route. Fortunately I was able to sit in "First" as otherwise I would have moved to the other unit, once it started thinning out.

 

[theotym]

I know someone commented on the fact 246+249 were coupled the other day but I was onboard 350117 and passed them at Crewe and took a video and some pictures at Stafford as they overtook 350117.

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I can attach the video too

 

[tfw756rider]

Do we have an estimated date of withdrawal of what will be the last remaining 350/2? In other words, an estimated date of the start of the all-in-storage "379/175" situation for the 350/2s?

 

[jonnymk]

Over the past couple of months, I've still been getting 350/2 sets in the morning on the direct (fast line) route from Milton Keynes to Euston. Really dislike the 3+2 seating, hope to see the last 6 sets out of lease/service over the next few months. Did notice lots of them stored at Wembley though!

 

[Wyrleybart]

Do we have an estimated date of withdrawal of what will be the last remaining 350/2? In other words, an estimated date of the start of the all-in-storage "379/175" situation for the 350/2s?

I assume 350/2 final standdown is based on getting all the 730/2s into traffic to totally replace them.
Are there any 730/0s left operating out of Euston, or have they all returned to the West Midlands sphere of operations ?

 

[JonathanH]

Are there any 730/0s left operating out of Euston, or have they all returned to the West Midlands sphere of operations ?

The 730/0s are still operating services out of Euston. I'm not sure anyone wants those services to be 5-car rather than 6-car whilst the units aren't needed in the West Midlands. Platform 10 at Euston remains a constraint on the operation of trains over 160m.

 

[Wyrleybart]

The 730/0s are still operating services out of Euston. I'm not sure anyone wants those services to be 5-car rather than 6-car whilst the units aren't needed in the West Midlands. Platform 10 at Euston remains a constraint on the operation of trains over 160m.

Is there actually a surplus of units on WMR / LnWR then one all the 730s are commissioned and in traffic ?
I was under the impression that the amending of the order to factory convert the 730/1 production into more 730/0, was to achieve the same result in displacing the 350/2.
In simple terms the new 730 fleet would allow stand down of the350/2s, buit are you suggesting there will be a surplus of AC units ?

 

[JonathanH]

Is there actually a surplus of units on WMR / LnWR then one all the 730s are commissioned and in traffic ?

CrossCity is only running 4tph, and there are barriers to it operating 6tph.

I think this is the relevant exchange upthread about why 730/0s will remain at Euston for the time being - https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...s-350-2-withdrawal.275457/page-9#post-7343694

 

[mansonlo49]

Over the past couple of months, I've still been getting 350/2 sets in the morning on the direct (fast line) route from Milton Keynes to Euston. Really dislike the 3+2 seating, hope to see the last 6 sets out of lease/service over the next few months. Did notice lots of them stored at Wembley though!

true, and their rotten London midland interior, plus the onboard facilities get broken all the time, which makes me avoid these units when travelling, let’s hope they get off lease soon

 

[DBS92042]

01/12/25 5Q07 Wembley Yard to Long Marston 37407 + 350234 350235

Updated list on 01/12/25:

Stored Wembley Yard:
231/240/241/244/245/251/252/256

Stored Long Marston:
232/233/234/235/236/237/238/239/242/243/247/248/253/255/257/259/260/263/262/264/265/266/267

Active (or yet to be confirmed as off lease):
246 in service 01/12/25
249 last in service 29/11/25
250 in service 01/12/25
254 in service 01/12/25
258 in service 01/12/25
261 in service 01/12/25

 

[jonnymk]

350246 spotted this morning heading towards Euston, paired with a 3504xx

 

[milooo]

350246 spotted this morning heading towards Euston, paired with a 3504xx

350403 according to rtt

 

[DBS92042]

37407 moved 350245 to Northampton EMD yesterday (02/12/25) and 350244 to Long Marston today (03/12/25)

 

[wickham]

37407 moved 350245 to Northampton EMD yesterday (02/12/25) and 350244 to Long Marston today (03/12/25)

Can anyone say why 350245 has returned to Northampton?

 

[jonnymk]

Can anyone say why 350245 has returned to Northampton?

On route to London this morning LNR announced the formation was shorter than usual (2 cars instead of 3), due to vandalism (windows smashed). Could be related to that.

 

[Mikey C]

On route to London this morning LNR announced the formation was shorter than usual (2 cars instead of 3), due to vandalism (windows smashed). Could be related to that.

Somebody was clearly very upset they were on a 350/2...

 

[tfw756rider]

On route to London this morning LNR announced the formation was shorter than usual (2 cars instead of 3), due to vandalism (windows smashed). Could be related to that.

Somebody was clearly very upset they were on a 350/2...

A 350/2 has 4 vehicles, so wouldn't it have been a 730/0 with one vehicle out of use?

 

[jonnymk]

A 350/2 has 4 vehicles, so wouldn't it have been a 730/0 with one vehicle out of use?

I think they mean it was supposed to be 12 cars (3 sets) but instead was 8 cars (2 sets). I was sat on the 350/4 but saw the 350/2 it was paired to when it pulled up.

 

[tfw756rider]

I think they mean it was supposed to be 12 cars (3 sets) but instead was 8 cars (2 sets). I was sat on the 350/4 but saw the 350/2 it was paired to when it pulled up.

Ah yeah, that would make more sense - thanks.

 

[sad1e]

There seems to be a 350 drag to long Marston booked in today

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