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I wonder what the record is for "booze runs" between Kings Cross and Edinburgh.

There must be at least four I would have thought which could equate to 8 drinks if you get a good "trolley dolly" or whatever the male equivalent is :p

I had three beers and three spirits on a Birmingham to Edinburgh Voyager once.

Before the changes (when you had to pay for meals), I managed to have around 12 teas/coffees, 2 orange juices and two bottles of water, which I thought was quite reasonable for Inverness - King's Cross (although I made the mistake of waiting until in King's Cross to go for another pee). Didn't have any alcohol but will be trying a selection in the next few weeks.

What alcohol do you now get on EC/Virgin? I prefer my beer to wine, but if its free I'll not complain.
 
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What alcohol do you now get on EC/Virgin?

From memory EC is red/white vino, Stella, Beer (can't remember which) and a variety of miniatures. I always go for G&T, the red wine is 'variable'.
 

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From memory EC is red/white vino, Stella, Beer (can't remember which) and a variety of miniatures. I always go for G&T, the red wine is 'variable'.

Don't drink red, so I'd do with white and the beer (think it is Pedigree now?). As for minatures - are these the already mixed one served out of cans or can you just have a minature whisky? Also, which whisky is it - can't stand Bells.
 

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They also do Rekorderlig cider not sure which flavour they carry (though thinking about it I think they change it fairly regularly).
 

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They also do Rekorderlig cider not sure which flavour they carry (though thinking about it I think they change it fairly regularly).

If it's anything like Kopparberg they can keep it. What's wrong with a normal, West Country-type cider orrrh arrh?
 

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If it's anything like Kopparberg they can keep it. What's wrong with a normal, West Country-type cider orrrh arrh?

Haha well they're both Swedish so...

;)

Personally I think Rekorderlig is better but if you don't like Kopparberg I doubt you'll like Rekorderlig.
 
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The whisky is grouse and yes the cider is a bit on the sweet side and your correct it is pedigree for the beer. Ginger ale is available if you like that as a mixer.
 

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they have at least picked a decent whisky!
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give me a highland park or other good mault any day but for an every-day whisky, good choice
 

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Who is more generous with booze? Virgin or EC?

How many drinks are you likely to get on a 2 or 2 1/2 hour trip?
 

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Who is more generous with booze? Virgin or EC?

How many drinks are you likely to get on a 2 or 2 1/2 hour trip?

Virgin!

You could quite easily get 3 wines + 3 spirits in that trip on Virgin. On EC, 1 drink and maximum 2. It disappoints and I will not be paying for 1st ever again.
 

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Why? Because you couldn't get pished for free?

I don't want to get "pished", but I don't want to be made to feel greedy for expecting a cold drink more than once every 2 hours.

(Bearing in mind sometimes they only fill the glass half full...thinking of that, do the bean counters measure teams on alcohol provided?)
 

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Virgin!

You could quite easily get 3 wines + 3 spirits in that trip on Virgin. On EC, 1 drink and maximum 2. It disappoints and I will not be paying for 1st ever again.

Thanks! Some friends and I are visiting from Canada with first class BritRail passes... So I guess we should try and take Virgin when possible to maximize our value!
 

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Who is more generous with booze? Virgin or EC?

How many drinks are you likely to get on a 2 or 2 1/2 hour trip?

If you travel on a Virgin Voyager (1 carriage) and get on with the steward the worlds your oyster particulary if it's quiet. He / She only has your carriage to look after and is always on view and hence dispenses almost at will.:p
 

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Towards the end of last year I had a first class run around the UK to try some of the services, although didn't get to sample Virgin's.

I travelled first class Sheffield to Doncaster on Transpennine Express, comfy seat and free cup of tea from the trolley.

I travelled first class from Doncaster to Kings Cross on Grand Central, comfy seat and ONE free cup of coffee with biscuit. Yes, the stewardess only did one run. She then fetched some microwave ready meals from the buffet for passengers that had ordered them (at menu price) and was then not seen again...

Did Scotrail sleeper from Euston to Fort William. Private berth, free pot of coffee in the lounge car in the evening and a free airline style breakfast tray in the morning.

Fort William to Glasgow and on to Edinburgh was on Standard Class only trains.

Did Edinburgh to Doncaster on East Coast so got to try the new service. The inward stock was late so the service had a bit of a chaotic start bit I will forgive that.

On departure from Edinburgh someone dashed through putting menus on all the tables, followed by tea & coffee service.

A while after, trolley comes down offering cold drinks and food. The food trolley had open platters of sandwiches on the top with staff serving from the platter, the trolley also had crisps, cakes etc on the bottom of the trolley. I however chose to order hot food (jacket potato).

The hot food took a while to come but then it was a busy train and when it did arrive it was really tasty.

There were further runs of tea and coffee and one more run of cold drinks and food. I missed out on the offer of a sandwich as the trolley moved to let someone walk down the aisle and didn't come back. I did notice on the second run of the food trolley that all the sandwiches were prepacked rather than out on a platter.

Another observation, when we left Edinburgh I had a table to myself, a group of businessmen got on in Newcastle and sat on the opposite seat and next table, the guy sat opposite me never got given a menu and the catering staff seemed to treat him as if he was travelling with me.

My general opinion on the East Coast First class service is the delivery of it needs working on, including consistency, however overall I think its good and the food and drink offered is nice and actually observing the business travellers around me the sandwiches and coffee was exactly the sort of food they wanted.

I do think that for leisure travellers travelling longer distances there may be some demand for a more substantial meal option, perhaps at a cost (say upgrade complimentary snack/light meal to a dinner for an extra fiver?).

I had plenty of tea and coffee, I understand the cold drinks are intended to go with the meal and that is why you are offered A cold/alcoholic drink just the once (although I got two opportunities of both food and cold drink).

The new service is certainly better than what you got for your money before (tea/coffee/juice/water/biscuit), some are obviously missing the option of buying restaurant meals on board but the reason the restaurants were withdrawn was that there was not enough demand to make them financially viable - although it was a strange set up when the restaurant was a seperate first class carriage - makes much more sense to deliver food to any first class seat, much more efficient use of capacity!
 

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I understand the cold drinks are intended to go with the meal and that is why you are offered A cold/alcoholic drink just the once (although I got two opportunities of both food and cold drink).
I got offered them several times on my trips.
 

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It seems that only people who ask for everything will actually get the most from the service. Those who expect to be offered a menu, or introduced to what is available, will probably get very little - or less than they should be given according to EC's own planned service. Either that or staff are showing favouritism to certain people, or it depends on what carriage you are in, or the time of day etc.

That is very poor, and I can't see that ever happening on an airline in first class. That is unless the person serving actually knew you, or you'd already said that you wouldn't want anything as you wanted to rest/work etc.

EC has to work on that. The service needs to be consistent and reliable, and from all the posts here (with stark contrasts between great and poor) it is clear that isn't happening even almost one year on. Suffice to say, I would have no desire to pay extra for first class anytime soon.
 

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I have been one of the complainers on here.

The latest offering is better, a baked potato and chilli/chicken tikka provides something more filling on the evening southward journeys than did the tart and salad till December.

Drinks - it varies with the crew. Those left from 'the old days' have mostly retained their GNER customer focus. Even if they have to say no, nothing left, they do it nicely. Some of the newest ones have not learned it, and i suspect will not be encouraged to.

Drinks also seem to be related to the service stopping. Fast trans from York, on drink, glass away by Donny, stopping trains, runs two or three times. Obviously one as to pay for the extra speed in fewer drinks.

Northbound is satisfactory, not a 3 course meal, little choice, but meat/fish potatoes and veg is OK.
 

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It seems that many of the complaints about the service since it was launched have involved consistency in some way. The delivery is inconsistent, the availability is inconsistent, and so on.

I have never been refused any sort of complimentary beverage on a flight. The idea that you can only have a cold drink with a meal is ridiculous, if it is correct.

On the other hand, though, it must be more difficult to offer airline type service on a train, as the latetr has far more intermediate stops where people cna ge ton and off. Which is another reason why I think that this sort of service is not appropriate to rail travel.
 

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Services should have a decent idea of what the loadings are going to be like for the trip made, so having stock for this +20% approx to cover anyone on non-advance fares, or something similar would be sufficient.
 

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Services should have a decent idea of what the loadings are going to be like for the trip made, so having stock for this +20% approx to cover anyone on non-advance fares, or something similar would be sufficient.

I was thinking more in terms of remembering who had been served with what, and when! On a flight, there is a meal service at a given point, for everyone, as in the vast majority of cases, everyone boards and alights at the same time.

Having stops should make it easier to load additional supplies en route if needed.
 

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I was thinking more in terms of remembering who had been served with what, and when! On a flight, there is a meal service at a given point, for everyone, as in the vast majority of cases, everyone boards and alights at the same time.

Having stops should make it easier to load additional supplies en route if needed.

Some of the 1st class staff on EC will watch people getting on board at stations, so bit easier to see who is getting on and will need tea/coffee etc. Still, I'd expect staff to be able to have a good idea of who they've served and who still needs serving - even though it will be difficult when it is busy.
 

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If you travel on a Virgin Voyager (1 carriage) and get on with the steward the worlds your oyster particulary if it's quiet. He / She only has your carriage to look after and is always on view and hence dispenses almost at will.:p

In my experience, what you describe is largely dependent on the First Class host and how attentive they are. I've had many quiet Voyager carriages to myself and I've had to personally ask the host for extras after they've decided to have a rest/go to the shop or disappear into the First Class galley never to return.

The EC Lounge Pass seems to be rather too well used. Presenting my Anytime ticket the other day at Kings Cross, the staff member gave a sight of relief after saying the vast majority that afternoon had been presenting Lounge tickets which they weren't too happy about!
 

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In my experience, what you describe is largely dependent on the First Class host and how attentive they are. I've had many quiet Voyager carriages to myself and I've had to personally ask the host for extras after they've decided to have a rest/go to the shop or disappear into the First Class galley never to return.

The EC Lounge Pass seems to be rather too well used. Presenting my Anytime ticket the other day at Kings Cross, the staff member gave a sight of relief after saying the vast majority that afternoon had been presenting Lounge tickets which they weren't too happy about!

How is it for them to be unhappy or happy about it? They're just there to do a job. And let's not forget the people with the lounge pass must have spent at least £50 with their company.
 

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