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Hi all,

My olds want to travel on the direct HST from Kings Cross to Inverness and return probably going on a Thursday and returning on a Sunday sometime in September. There are 5 of them on the trip and 3 of them will have senior railcards.

They would like to travel 1st to make an occasion of it but that's not essential.

I know September is a while away but any tips or advice would be most appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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Best bet I would've thought is Advance tickets, which can be bought usually approx 2-3 months before travel (give or take a week or two) :)
 

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You'll need advance tickets. They're released twelve weeks before travel. You can check Booking Horizons vie the National Rail Enquiries site for an exact date nearer the time, or give East Coast Customer Relations a call and they'll be able to advise.

East Coast's site sell their cheapest fares - hope you have a good trip on the Chieftain...!
 

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That's a good scheme for them. One suggestion would be to travel a little earlier in the year, because by the time the Chieftan reaches the northern Highlands (incl the impressive Grampian mountains and the red stone Culloden Viaduct glowing in a setting sun) and then Inverness itself at 8pm, it will be dark. The Chieftan's morning departure time just before 8am won't be quite so dark in Sept., but still shady. Could they do it before mid August?

I agree that First Class is the most tolerable way of spending 8 hours (each way) on any train. Do the 2 who don't have Senior Railcards qualify these cards? They'll reduce the costs, even of Advance tickets by 34%.

Advances are currently available up to 17th July, and the quota of Kings Cross to Inverness Advances tend not to be snapped up straight away; e.g. you can still buy 1st Advance singles with Railcards for July at £48 (Outward) and £40 (Return) per person. Not bad for 1100 miles (return distance)!

Its occassionally possible to save a few pounds by splitting the tickets, however with the limited stops of the Chieftan I don't believe its even worth looking! The only other exploit I know to reduce their costs further would apply if ScotRail re-introduced their Club55 scheme (for Over 55's) - this would cover the Scottish elements of their travel for around £22 per head, return. But I don't know if it will be re-introduced this autumn and as the Southbound Chieftain doesn't stop at Berwick, they's still have to buy EC tickets between London and Edinburgh, which is again, unlikely to save any more cost.

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I see they might be returning on a Sunday, in which case, the Inverness departure is at 09:40 which is in full daylight in Sept. Also, the Sunday Chieftan southbound DOES stop at Peterborough, so it migh be worth spending a few moments to consider splitting the tickets there, esp. if 2 of the travellers don't qualify for a Railcard - but the saving won't be great.
 
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East Coast offer one third off Advance fares for groups of 3-9 people travelling together if the journey is wholly on East Coast trains and the tickets are booked through this link.

Railcard holders get 11% off the Railcard discounted price for tickets priced by East Coast (such as Advance tickets on the daily Kings Cross - Inverness service) if they book through the East Coast web site, making a total discount of about 41%.

In order to minimise the total cost for your party of five, it may be best for only two of the party to use their Railcards, each getting a 41% discount, and for the third Railcard holder to join the other 2 on a group fare for 3 at 33% discount.

For a party as large as 5, one hazard is that most (all?) train companies do not offer the cheapest Advance ticket if there are not enough remaining available for the whole party. For example the lowest two undiscounted Kings Cross - Inverness First Class Advance fares are £57.30 and £68.50. Let's assume that at the time of booking there are four tickets at £57.30 remaining available but plenty at £68.50. The computer does not offer four tickets at £57.30 and one at £68.50. Instead it offers all five at the higher £68.50 price.

To overcome this, it is necessary to search for each of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 passengers, calculate the minimum available total cost and sometimes make multiple bookings. This adds considerably to the amount of work needed to minimise travel costs.
 

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Don't forget that East Coast give a 1/3 off discount for groups of 3 or more. This discount can also be used in conjunction with Railcards, saving over 50%! These discounted tickets must be booked at: www.eastcoast.co.uk/3plus.

The cheapest (single) price I have seen for 5 Adults - 3 of whom have Senior Railcards - with the 1/3 off discount included, is £211.15. This works out at £42.23 per person.

If all 5 adults have Railcards, the price goes down by about £10, saving £20 on a return journey. Unless you travel often, this doesn't justify the cost of 2 Railcards.
 
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