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This has been around for some time.
Route: Stena P&O
No other restriction.

Presumably, this would be valid via HS1? It's quite cheap at £27.50, compared with fares to Dover.

Also available from other destinations, eg Guildford - Calais SDR £31, same restrictions. Would this be valid via London? If so, it's much cheaper than the Guildford - Dover SDR of £50.10.
 
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Excuse my stupidity but as I used to go on the ferries from Victoria to Paris and Epernay [and once Caring X-Dover, then Hovercraft to Boulogne Aeroglisuer), booked at Victoria Continental, is that inclusive of ferry or is that extra? Is there still a free bus from Dover Priory?
 

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I was under the impression that all the through rail fare were withdrawn at the end of 2007. Certainly Stena P & O ceased to exist in 2002!
 

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Excuse my stupidity but as I used to go on the ferries from Victoria to Paris and Epernay [and once Caring X-Dover, then Hovercraft to Boulogne Aeroglisuer), booked at Victoria Continental, is that inclusive of ferry or is that extra? Is there still a free bus from Dover Priory?

The fare includes the ferry, but the bus is extra.

I was under the impression that all the through rail fare were withdrawn at the end of 2007. Certainly Stena P & O ceased to exist in 2002!

Stena P&O became P&O whch is still around. The fare went up from £25 (NFM 04) to £27.50 (NFM 05), so I guess it's still live. It's the only rail/ferry fare still available to France.
 

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Guildford £31
Worplesdon £31
Woking, West Byfleet or Byfleet and New Haw £47.50
Weybridge, Walton, Hersham or Esher No Fare!
Surbiton, Wimbledon, Earlsfield and Clapham Junction £48.50!
Vauxhall £27.50
Ebbsfleet Int £23

Ebbsfleet may not be valid on HS1 tho as Southeastern has fares from there routed not HS1 which in actual fact means HS1 to the junction of the Gravesend line then Gravesend first but thats a technicality lol

How they get the £47.50 and £48.50 fares who knows.
 

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I didn't realise this fare existed either, and it seems you can get railcard discounts as well. The route 'P&O Stena' is also very curious, and clearly a throwback that hasn't been corrected - as already mentioned Stena Line and P&O Ferries de-merged in 2002.
 

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Is there a fare from the Southampton area?

Unfortunately not. The closest to Southampton is Guildford at £48.50 for an Anytime Day Return.

What is confusing me though is the £48.50 price from Guildford (obtained from the FRPP) conflicts with the first post made within the thread which has the fare within Avantix Traveller at £31.00. All other prices within the FRPP are identical within Avantix Traveller bar the Guildford price...
 

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Or I suppose Woking given the lack of direct trains from Southampton say to Guildford? That would mean an ADR to Woking and then the ticket quoted from there I suppose.
 

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Or I suppose Woking given the lack of direct trains from Southampton say to Guildford? That would mean an ADR to Woking and then the ticket quoted from there I suppose.
Yes. NFM 05 CD has:
National Fares Manual NFM 05 CD said:
Origin : WOKING
Destination : CALAIS
Route : 00850 - STENA P&O
Standard Class Return
SDR - ANYTIME DAY RETURN SET
1 Adult @£ 47.50
No Restriction Applies
NFM 05 CD does not show any Railcard discounts for this fare. I don't know whether FRPP does.
 

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Yes. NFM 05 CD has:NFM 05 CD does not show any Railcard discounts for this fare. I don't know whether FRPP does.

Non-standard discounts apply

The Non-standard discount policy here is:

No discounts apply :| Put it through a STAR TIS the other day and it won't accept anything like a railcard, interrail discount, priv etc.

Although, I would be rather tempted to contact ATOC and tell them that because they advertise in the terms and conditions that YP etc can get a discount of ALL Anytime tickets- they need to change either the ticket type or conditions.

I don't think there is any ticket type currently that includes a journey out of mainland UK with a restriction to be back on the same day... (Dublin Day Out - DDO is the exception, but obviously no good here).
 

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Sorry to bring up this oldish thread.

I found this fare the other day and as I am staying in Kings Cross later in the year with hopes to pop over the channel, I'm wondering if anyone has managed to actually obtain this ticket?

Also what are the restrictions for this unrestricted ticket?
Do you need ferry reservations?
Can they be changed?
Is it valid HS1?

And most importantly how/ where do you obtain one of these, I mean is there anywhere where I can find someone who knows about these or even how to issue them?
 

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I'm wondering if anyone has managed to actually obtain this ticket?

Also what are the restrictions for this unrestricted ticket?
Do you need ferry reservations?
Can they be changed?
Is it valid HS1?

And most importantly how/ where do you obtain one of these, I mean is there anywhere where I can find someone who knows about these or even how to issue them?
I phoned a travel agent and five minutes later the following information was on my screen.
France – Calais

Interchange station: Dover Priory (with bus link to Dover Eastern Docks)
Shipping operator: P&O Stena Line
Through Rail/Sea Day Return bookings are available to: Calais H426 via Dover Eastern Docks & P&O Stena Line (850)
Customers must be in possession of valid passports when travelling to the Continent
Calais H426 via Dover Eastern Docks & P&O Stena Line (850)

A = Adult, C = Child, RA = Railcard Adult, RC = Railcard Child.

From London. A 27.50 C 13.75 RA 18.15 RC 7.35.

From Abbey Wood, Bromley South, Catford, Dartford, Orpington, Woolwich Arsenal. A 23.50 C 11.75 RA 19.15 RC 7.05.

From Gravesend, Sevenoaks. A 23.00 C 11.50 RA 15.20 RC 6.75.

From Chatham, Gillingham, Hastings, Paddock Wood, Rainham, Sittingbourne, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells. A 20.00 C 10.00 RA 16.90 RC 6.40.

From Faversham, Herne Bay, Margate. A 17.50 C 8.75 RA 15.25 RC 5.90.

From Ashford, Canterbury. A 17.50 C 8.75 RA 15.25 RC 5.90.

From Guildford, Woking. A 47.50 C 23.75 RA 31.35 RC 8.50.

From Clapham Junction, East Croydon, Richmond, Surbiton, Wimbledon. A 48.50 C 24.25 RA 32.00 RC 7.70.
Port Transfers

As a general guide allow a minimum of 45 minutes from the arrival time at the coastal station to connect with a sailing on the outward journey and a similar margin from arrival of the return journey for customers to clear customs and get to the station. Where journeys are affected by engineering work, please ensure that it is possible to connect with the maritime service in both directions before making the booking.

Buses operate between Dover Priory and Dover Eastern Docks and between Calais Port and Calais Town Centre for which a modest charge is made in each direction. In all cases, customers should check the times of their return transfers on arrival at their destination.

Tickets

Normal Anytime Day Return tickets may be issued by ticket machines. Anytime Day Return time restrictions do not apply to Anytime Day Return tickets issued under this arrangement as passengers may travel by any train to the Channel Port. It is important that the correct route is shown on the tickets as indicated. Unrouted tickets must not be issued as this could cause severe problems to our customers. A control ticket needs to be issued.

Railcard

The Adult reduced fares shown are applicable to Railcard holders. The Railcard child fares are applicable up to a maximum of 4 children (aged 5 to 15 years) accompanying the holders of Network Railcard, Gold Card, Family & Friends Railcard and HM Forces Railcards. Children accompanying 16-25 and Disabled Persons Railcards must pay the full child fare shown.

Normal conditions apply to all Railcard holders e.g. Network Railcard holders - maximum 4 adults travelling together; Family & Friends Railcard holders must be accompanied by a child and so on. The normal Monday to Friday morning peak travel restrictions on the use of certain railcards (e.g. Network Railcards not before 1000) are waived in respect of Railcard holders (and any accompanying children) travelling on these day trips. A first class supplement is only available to Gold Card holders and that is only at weekends.

Whilst every assistance will be given, Disabled Persons Railcard customers should be warned that as a bus link operates between station and port they may encounter difficulty if in a wheelchair.

Reservations

Advance Reservations are not possible on P&O Ferries to Calais. Reservations are no longer essential, passengers travel subject to availability.

Mandatory Control Ticket BR 7599/46. This is a type of sailing ticket which must be issued (zero charge) in support of each travel ticket/person for both outward and return sea portion of the journey, to be endorsed, where applicable, with the sailing time and reservation reference number. This ticket will be pre-printed to the effect that it is not valid for travel.

Issuing Procedure - Control Ticket

Ticket to be issued as per the instructions provided by your TIS supplier.
Some distinctly odd prices there! It is not clear to me how £23.50 is reduced to £19.20 with a railcard but £23.00 is reduced to £15.20.
 

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HOW MUCH:!::!:<:D from London with a railcard - can you confirm that railcards are valid as Avantix Traveler dosn't seem to think they are and I am not sure I belive it's THAT cheap.

BTW which travel agent did you phone?

Can this be done in all travel agents?
 
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Hmm this ticket could be very useful to me this weekend. Can anyone confirm that this is valid on HS1? I was planning on doing a day trip to Calais this Saturday but it was going to cost about £32 return on HS1 to Dover and then £16 return for the ferry. This ticket looks like a real bargain if it's available. Will I be able to buy it in St Pancras (or even better, Stansted Airport while I await my train to London)? Thanks in advance for any info!
 

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One thought for finding somone who might admit to the existence of the fare , is there still an international travel office in London or any rail appointed travel agents anywhere?
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A somewhat worrying statement on the ATOC site:

"It is no longer possible to purchase outbound International Rail tickets from GB National Rail stations."

Right at the bottom of the page.
http://www.atoctravelagents.org/international

Does that mean you can still buy the ticket elsewhere or is this a valid fare that they periodically change the price of that can't be issued?
 
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The London to Calais ticket isn't an international rail ticket - it's a domestic ticket with a ferry add-on, and the fact that the ferry is to France rather than to a Scottish island (for example) makes no difference. What ATOC is talking about is tickets under the CIV convention no longer being available, and this isn't one of those.

All you need to ask for is a London to Calais Anytime Day Return, and if the ticket office staff give you blank looks ask them to enter the origin 1072 for London Terminals and the destination H426 for Calais.

When you get to Dover Port go to the ticket desk, show the tickets, and they'll give you a ferry exchange ticket. Bob's yer uncle!
 

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I went to ticket office today and the quite friendly gentleman sore blind that these tickets don't exist anymore.

I also asked a couple of SWT bods on my way home and they also were certain that they no longer exist and the fact that a ticket with a price appears to be available doesn’t mean that it can actually be issued and there is no way that they can issue such a ticket unless it is for Ireland.

If they can issue them then I realy need some proff that they are issuable and exist.
 
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