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RJ

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Not surprising about the 35, since the 40 was removed from the Borough corridor a few years back it has had a lot more people relying on it.

Since 2019, TfL's spec has required all new buses to be fitted with ISA (Intelligent Speed Assist). This system limits the bus to the legal speed limit of any road within Greater London using GPS technology, and can't be manually overridden by the driver.

I think quite a lot of drivers have worked out how to disable it!
 
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Really surprised the 73 isn’t on that list. Just shows what TfL have done to that route over the years. Used to be such a busy route.
 

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The LT buses can - and in some cases, some fleets at some operators (Transport UK springs to mind) - do have them activated! But not all of them have it and sometimes it does not work, either.
Are you sure you aren't mistaking ISA with mobileye? Apologies if I've got this wrong, but I was quite certain that LTs aren't fitted with ISA.
 

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The 31 has started introducing the BD11s, I'm guessing this will be the long term replacement.
 

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Been stopping at a hotel on Waterloo Road just down from The Old Vic. I was really surprised to see buses doing U turns just outside the hotel . I know this is a wide road, but I dont recall London buses doing this.
 

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Been stopping at a hotel on Waterloo Road just down from The Old Vic. I was really surprised to see buses doing U turns just outside the hotel . I know this is a wide road, but I dont recall London buses doing this.
Terminating buses have performed this manoeuvre for some time. The 279 also has a U-turn at Manor House station.
 

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Been stopping at a hotel on Waterloo Road just down from The Old Vic. I was really surprised to see buses doing U turns just outside the hotel . I know this is a wide road, but I dont recall London buses doing this.
I think that there is a set of traffic lights for buses performing this manoeuvre.
 

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I think that there is a set of traffic lights for buses performing this manoeuvre.
There is, plus a separate lane for buses making the U-turn, as can be seen in this 2019 view from Google Streetview.

An identical setup also exists on Archway Road:

 

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63 at the junction with Wood Vale too. Here's a Google Street view image that has the turn in action Link
 

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The 183 does a U-turn at Pinner (or at least it did in the days when I drove it).
Don’t the 183s use a mini roundabout to turn rather than doing a U-turn? I know that the practical aspects of the manoeuvre are the same but the road markings on a mini roundabout will give some element of protection to the bus.
 

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Don’t the 183s use a mini roundabout to turn rather than doing a U-turn? I know that the practical aspects of the manoeuvre are the same but the road markings on a mini roundabout will give some element of protection to the bus.
Just looked at Googlemaps - you are quite correct. It wasn't a mini roundabout back in the days when I drove the 183 (assuming my memory is correct!). It's a long time since I drove around there. Thanks for pointing that out. My memory is of the Bridge Street/Love Lane junction being a t-junction, but I may be completely wrong. (It was the mid/late 90s when I drove the 183).
 

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Been stopping at a hotel on Waterloo Road just down from The Old Vic. I was really surprised to see buses doing U turns just outside the hotel . I know this is a wide road, but I dont recall London buses doing this.
It's been there for some years and there is a similar one in Archway Road, both perfectly safe with traffic lights.

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Terminating buses have performed this manoeuvre for some time. The 279 also has a U-turn at Manor House station.
That won't be there much longer if the proposed rerouting of the 279 to Stamford Hill goes ahead.
 

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It's been there for some years and there is a similar one in Archway Road, both perfectly safe with traffic lights.

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That won't be there much longer if the proposed rerouting of the 279 to Stamford Hill goes ahead.
“If”… are you suggesting that a TfL consultation is anything other than a foregone conclusion?
 

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Why do TFL offer a Saturday bus service yesterday, today and Friday, which to all intents and purposes are normal working days?
 

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Why do TFL offer a Saturday bus service yesterday, today and Friday, which to all intents and purposes are normal working days?
It’s a modified Saturday service so some Monday - Friday services operate (eg the SL6) and the 969 ran yesterday. Friday 2 January will have a normal (non-schoolday) Friday service.
 

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Not the point, they’re still normal days.
Passenger demand is way below “normal” - about a fifth lower than the weeks immediately before and after. All routes still operate but some have a reduced frequency - as others have already noted demand is much reduced so this is an effective use of resources and I doubt most passengers really notice (although some services only run x20 rather than x30 in the early part of the day). A number of routes also operate school holiday schedules throughout the year - these reflect lower demand and reduced traffic levels (and hence slightly faster running times) - this is not unique to London.

TfL has made available its network demand dashboard here https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJr...kZWYtNGVlYS1hNjkyLWEwODljMjU1MzQ2YiIsImMiOjh9

It can be interrogated to show the number of journeys made on any given day in recent years.
 

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Don't trains also run to a Saturday timetable for these few days? They certainly did 20 years ago when I commuted on South Eastern.
 

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Don't trains also run to a Saturday timetable for these few days? They certainly did 20 years ago when I commuted on South Eastern.
It varies by train operator but as a general rule the former “Southern” lines have tended to operate a Saturday service (and I seem to recall that this was the case in BR days). This year, of course, trains to and from Waterloo are severely impacted by engineering work.
 

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Why do TFL offer a Saturday bus service yesterday, today and Friday, which to all intents and purposes are normal working days?
Not the point, they’re still normal days.

It may depend very much on the industry you work in, but ultimately, they are not normal days, in London or elsewhere. As an example, before Covid, I used to work in an office building that had eight companies in it. Between Christmas and the New Year, we were the only one who had staff, and even then only scratching half. I used to like working them, because the commute by coach offered the best days of the year: instead of grinding our way through south-east London, if the queue for the Blackwall Tunnel was more than two-dozen cars it was a surprise.

Many companies only offer a Saturday service between Christmas and the New Year, sometimes adjusted for M-F or shoppers services, sometimes not. The thread on Christmas services has also revealed that this year, a number of companies are retaining the Saturday service on Friday 2nd, rather than reverting to the normal Mon-Fri School Holiday service that might otherwise be expected.
 

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A Saturday service schedule is still busier than say Bank Holiday or Sunday service as well.

Because of when NYD falls, it's pointless putting normal service on 2nd January, much easier to reinstate it from the 5th.
 

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It would be helpful if there was consistency between operators so you don't need to check multiple operators. I presume in other countries where connections are more important such modifications need to be coordinated.
 

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