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Stew27005

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Hi Everyone,
I'm spending 2 full days in london early september staying overnight in Wembley.
I want to maximise the amount and variety of stock numbers i can collect. Not interested in SWR as i live on the mainline, nor time at London bridge.
Would be greatful to receive any agenda suggestions.
Cheers, Stewart
 
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Acton Main Line would give you everything on the GW main line, including Crossrail, plus freight locos in the adjacent yard.
 

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Finsbury Park? For both Intercity and local services on the ECML.
 

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Stratford has everything on the GE mainline, Overground NLL, Crossrail & a few West Anglia services plus a trickle of freight. Then back to Bethnal Green for a lot more Overground 710s & West Anglia.
 

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Stratford has everything on the GE mainline, Overground NLL, Crossrail & a few West Anglia services plus a trickle of freight. Then back to Bethnal Green for a lot more Overground 710s & West Anglia.
Cheers Box. Was thinking about Stratford. Havent been there for many many years. Probably when the silver roof 47s were around!
 

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Is there likely to be much visible from passing ilford and east ham depots? Does anyone recommend any other depots from a passing train? Thanks
 

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Is there likely to be much visible from passing ilford and east ham depots? Does anyone recommend any other depots from a passing train? Thanks
Certainly worth a trundle out to Barking and back on C2C, that usually takes you both sides of East Ham, where there’s lots visible stabled off-peak.
 

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There's not usually much visible at Ilford, but there's no harm in doing a fast spin to Romford and back to get a look at it if you're going to be at Stratford anyway. If you need either of the current Ilford 08s* for sight, there's usually at least one of them and sometimes both of them in the headshunt at the London end of the depot.

*08 588 and 08 700
 

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Thanks Box and Peter. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether a run past cricklewood and hornsey is worth it during off-peak? Thanks
 

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Thanks Box and Peter. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether a run past cricklewood and hornsey is worth it during off-peak? Thanks
Cricklewood should have some 700's viewable.
There used to be EMR HST sets off peak but obviously not nowadays, perhaps a Meridian or two.
 

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Hornsey certainly used to be pretty full off-peak in the mid 2000s, and I'd imagine it's not that much different now. You should see a fair bit on there, but how much you'll get the numbers for is another matter.

I don't know for sure about Willesden any more either, that used to have some stuff in there during the day, viewable from Bakerloo/LO trains into Willesden Junction Low Level.

As someone else already said, Acton Main Line will get you plenty of stuff on the GWML. I'd perhaps suggest West Ealing as a possible alternative, I vaguely recall there being slightly better viewing angles there for the main lines, and you'll get the bonus of observing whatever is on the Greenford branch line.

Cricklewood will primarily be a handful of 700s and a small number of Meridians, nothing terribly exciting really. Ilford, all trains go by at a fair rate of knots so it can be difficult to ID much on there.

Grove Park CS certainly at least used to be pretty chock-a-block full during the off-peak, it might be worth investigating a spot nearby to observe ECS movements to/from it for a whole host of Southeastern trains. You can pass by the place on trains too, but getting numbers would be an entirely different challenge!

Might I also recommend spending a bit of time checking out the magnificent Paddington station too? I'm a bit biased, it being my favourite station, but it is just beautiful! I'd rate it higher than St Pancras, the building of which is stunning, but as I say I'm biased!

Favorite spots in London for me, for spotting, were:

Clapham Junction
Willesden Junction
Stratford
Bethnal Green
Finsbury Park
London Bridge
East Croydon
Ealing Broadway

I might be forgetting somewhere, but that's my list of definite good places to spot at.

Have a great trip, whatever you end up doing!
 

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Thanks Box and Peter. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether a run past cricklewood and hornsey is worth it during off-peak? Thanks
If you're going past Hornsey, you might as well continue past Bounds Green... should be an IET or two in a photographable position...
 

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Hi Peter do you suggest a New Southgate train or a Bowes Park train for BN? Do you know if anything visible from Piccadilly line? Thx
 

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Hornsey certainly used to be pretty full off-peak in the mid 2000s, and I'd imagine it's not that much different now. You should see a fair bit on there, but how much you'll get the numbers for is another matter.

I don't know for sure about Willesden any more either, that used to have some stuff in there during the day, viewable from Bakerloo/LO trains into Willesden Junction Low Level.

As someone else already said, Acton Main Line will get you plenty of stuff on the GWML. I'd perhaps suggest West Ealing as a possible alternative, I vaguely recall there being slightly better viewing angles there for the main lines, and you'll get the bonus of observing whatever is on the Greenford branch line.

Cricklewood will primarily be a handful of 700s and a small number of Meridians, nothing terribly exciting really. Ilford, all trains go by at a fair rate of knots so it can be difficult to ID much on there.

Grove Park CS certainly at least used to be pretty chock-a-block full during the off-peak, it might be worth investigating a spot nearby to observe ECS movements to/from it for a whole host of Southeastern trains. You can pass by the place on trains too, but getting numbers would be an entirely different challenge!

Might I also recommend spending a bit of time checking out the magnificent Paddington station too? I'm a bit biased, it being my favourite station, but it is just beautiful! I'd rate it higher than St Pancras, the building of which is stunning, but as I say I'm biased!

Favorite spots in London for me, for spotting, were:

Clapham Junction
Willesden Junction
Stratford
Bethnal Green
Finsbury Park
London Bridge
East Croydon
Ealing Broadway

I might be forgetting somewhere, but that's my list of definite good places to spot at.

Have a great trip, whatever you end up doing!
Techniquest, thank you very much for the very helpful and comprehensive information.
 

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Hi Peter do you suggest a New Southgate train or a Bowes Park train for BN? Do you know if anything visible from Piccadilly line? Thx
I'd just check on Real Time Trains on the day to see which would give me the quickest return opportunity. Nothing worse than finding a cancellation when you've just bailed out somewhere intending to go straight back and it's a 30 minute fester for the next one...

You won't see anything from the Piccadilly Line there - it's in a deep tunnel section at that location...
 

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Techniquest, thank you very much for the very helpful and comprehensive information.

No worries, if I wasn't off to bed now (got to be up at 3am for work at 4am) I'd add the detail of best places to position oneself on the platforms etc. Granted, since London Bridge's rebuild I don't know which spot to choose now but it was always best going to the country end of the Southeastern platforms from memory.
 

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I find you get a good look at Willesden depot from the Southern services on the Watford - Clapham route, certainly go slow enough in that area.
 

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Stratford has everything on the GE mainline, Overground NLL, Crossrail & a few West Anglia services plus a trickle of freight. Then back to Bethnal Green for a lot more Overground 710s & West Anglia.
Hi Box, which platform end do you recommend at Stratford pls?
 

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Hi Box, which platform end do you recommend at Stratford pls?
I would say around platform 10A, that will get you the 720s from Tottenham Hale. Although some of the Crossrail units heading towards London might be hard to spot (but what goes into Liverpool Street will come back out)
 

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Has anyone got any thoughts on viewing Selhurst?

I've never tried doing so from the street, I think your best bet is a 378 from West Croydon to Norwood Junction, or possibly a stopper from East Croydon that calls at Norwood Junction, as they will be passing by slower than most other trains on the line. The majority of trains will be too far away to ID even then though.

That is of course based on some old memories now, it could be very different these days.

Also, regarding Stratford, in my heyday of spotting 10a wasn't there, and the classic spot is at the end of p9/10. You will get the majority of trains, if not all of them, I'm not quite sure what you can see of the Stratford-Tottenham Hale and beyond trains from the west end of p9/10, but I think the east end of that island platform is better for being away from the crowds and for the best chance of getting numbers. It is a mighty busy station, so you might have to wait for something to come back before catching it.
 

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I don’t think there’s a perfect spot at Stratford, I usually use the London/east end of platforms 9/10. What you struggle for there is the West Anglia services, but with the 317s gone they are presumably all single 720s at the moment which may make it easier.

10A is better for them but doesn’t extend so far east and is further from the Elizabeth Line so you get bowled a lot, but the 345s are only doing Liverpool Street-Shenfield until through services start so they’ll keep coming back and forth if you are there a while.
 

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Selhurst you will be able to see some trains on something which calls at Norwood Junction (maybe an Overground service as those are slow), but depends how many units are sitting on the depot at the time you pass it.
 

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Thanks again everyone for all your help. Really useful info. Ill publish a trip report if there is interest and no strikes!
 

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Does anyone know if selhurst sidings are visible from the street etc and how safe would you say it is round there?
 

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Does anyone know if selhurst sidings are visible from the street etc and how safe would you say it is round there?
I don't think they're visible from the street - but you can peer over the wall of the down slow platform and see what's parked at the end of the depot...
 
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