Loco hauled for 2021

[Mogz]

I would be interested to compile a list of services that are scheduled to be loco hauled (or propelled!) when everything gets “back to normal” in 2021.

I can think of the following:

Chiltern Railways-
London Marylebone Birmingham/Kidderminster
(Class 68 + Mk 3s)

Transpennine Express
Liverpool-Scarborough
(Class 68 + Mk 5As)

Transport for Wales
Holyhead-Cardiff
(Class 67 + Mk 3s)

Manchester - Llandudno
(Class 67 + Mk 4s)

Caledonian Sleeper
(Class 92/67 + Mk 5s)

GWR Night Riviera
(Class 57 + Mk 3s)

Excluding HSTs (used by CrossCountry, Scotrail, GWR and EMR) are there any I’ve missed?

 

[Mack91]

LNER London - Leeds/York will still have Class 91 / Mk IVs, although I believe they will be out of service for a while in early 2021 for overhaul.

 

[mememachine175]

I would be interested to compile a list of services that are scheduled to be loco hauled (or propelled!) when everything gets “back to normal” in 2021.

I can think of the following:

Chiltern Railways-
London Marylebone Birmingham/Kidderminster
(Class 68 + Mk 3s)

Transpennine Express
Liverpool-Scarborough
(Class 68 + Mk 5As)

Transport for Wales
Holyhead-Cardiff
(Class 67 + Mk 3s)

Manchester - Llandudno
(Class 67 + Mk 4s)

Caledonian Sleeper
(Class 92/67 + Mk 5s)

GWR Night Riviera
(Class 57 + Mk 3s)

Excluding HSTs (used by CrossCountry, Scotrail, GWR and EMR) are there any I’ve missed?

Llandudno - Manchester won't be loco hauled.

The loco hauled diagram was due to be switched to DMUs when the MK3s went. Covid just expedited it.

 

[alistairlees]

Caledonian Sleeper will be using class 73/9s north of Edinburgh, rather than 67s.

 

[fgwrich]

TFW Loco Hauled, if it does return, will be with the Mk4s. All of the Arriva should now be out of Wales and in storage in Bicester or Castle Donnington.

 

[xotGD]

Hopefully TPE 68s will make it to Teesside before the end of the year.

 

[Whistler40145]

TFW Loco Hauled, if it does return, will be with the Mk4s. All of the Arriva should now be out of Wales and in storage in Bicester or Castle Donnington.

Training runs on the Welsh Marches line have been taking place with a Mk 4 DVT set and Class 67

 

[DB]

LNER London - Leeds/York will still have Class 91 / Mk IVs, although I believe they will be out of service for a while in early 2021 for overhaul.

But not all out of service at once, surely?

 

[WesternLancer]

I would be interested to compile a list of services that are scheduled to be loco hauled (or propelled!) when everything gets “back to normal” in 2021.

I can think of the following:

Chiltern Railways-
London Marylebone Birmingham/Kidderminster
(Class 68 + Mk 3s)

Transpennine Express
Liverpool-Scarborough
(Class 68 + Mk 5As)

Transport for Wales
Holyhead-Cardiff
(Class 67 + Mk 3s)

Manchester - Llandudno
(Class 67 + Mk 4s)

Caledonian Sleeper
(Class 92/67 + Mk 5s)

GWR Night Riviera
(Class 57 + Mk 3s)

Excluding HSTs (used by CrossCountry, Scotrail, GWR and EMR) are there any I’ve missed?

A good list - as per timetables changes, put in frequently requested diagrammes thread, would be of a lot of interest to many users of the forum I'm sure.

 

[xotGD]

The Skipton - Appleby may be back. Does anyone know for sure?

 

[87015]

TPE 68 diagrams are just York-Scarborough with one early/late across the Pennines to get a set back to LO.

 

[Whistler40145]

TPE 68 diagrams are just York-Scarborough with one early/late across the Pennines to get a set back to LO.

A Scarborough shuttle all day?

 

[87015]

A Scarborough shuttle all day?

Yes, look in RTT at new timetable...

 

[route101]

TPE 68 diagrams are just York-Scarborough with one early/late across the Pennines to get a set back to LO.

Not any from York to Liverpool?

 

[47827]

Not any from York to Liverpool?

0555 ish Man Vic to Liverpool, 0654 over to Scarborough for a day on the shuttles ending overnight at Scarborough. A Scarborough shuttle diagram then ends with a mid evening service to Manchester Airport. All Scarborough crews sign 68s, but are about the only depot at TPE that do so whilst it is a poor use of intercity stock its symptomatic of the current situation with crashed demand. If there was a big increase in use before May then with a few weeks notice the service pattern could probably be reviewed. Those at Manchester who do sign loco hauled sets keep 2 shifts by the looks of that involving the maintenance swap trains. Presume they would be still work through to the coast too to avoid route knowledge lapsing by May.

RE Redcar diagrams, it would be nice to think York crews can get trained over the summer and by 12 months from now all diagrams could be running. Sadly that's not guaranteed as its possible not all Scarborough diagrams will have gone over by the summer at the rate things are moving.