LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

[BRX]

I'm pretty sure that GWR one was debunked wasn't it? I seem to recall people saying the HST departure was at a far lower power setting than usually used.

Yes I think it was. You can see in the comments on the youtube page.

 

[Railperf]

Not arguing with the premise but I'm not sure what that video demonstrates as it doesn't give anything to compare with!

The end of the video ends up around 7.9 miles with the train doing 123mph ...note the time taken to get there. An average HST takes 6 mins 15 seconds to reach 7.9 miles and is only doing 115mph at that point!
Or in other words - in 5 minutes FROM REST - a Class 800 is over 2 miles ahead of the HST!!

 

[westv]

All I know is that the HSTs I travel on seem to take ages to actually move after the power comes on. I know it probably isn't that long - it just seems it.

 

[trebor79]

The 800s on electric or diesel knock spots off the 91+Mk4 sets in terms of acceleration, and are significantly quicker than an HST. You actually feel yourself being pushed back into the seat when the driver opens up.

 

[BRX]

As I understand it, they are quicker on electric, but on diesel although the initial acceleration is better, that's only up to a certain speed after which an HST outperforms them meaning that an HST will get to a high speed earlier than an IET running on diesel.

 

[cactustwirly]

As I understand it, they are quicker on electric, but on diesel although the initial acceleration is better, that's only up to a certain speed after which an HST outperforms them meaning that an HST will get to a high speed earlier than an IET running on diesel.

Which doesn't mean much as they'll be on electric for all the high speeds stretches anyway!

 

[Railperf]

The 800s on electric or diesel knock spots off the 91+Mk4 sets in terms of acceleration, and are significantly quicker than an HST. You actually feel yourself being pushed back into the seat when the driver opens up.

To put things into perspective..a 91 over the same distance ...7.9 miles would take around 5 min 57 secs...so 20 secs slower than an HST. The 800 in the video took 5 min 10 secs. I recorded a more powerful Class 802 doing this in 4 mins 55 seconds. So 15 secs quicker than the 800. Class 390 Pendolinos are almost on a par with Class 800s to the same distance.

 

[Railperf]

Which doesn't mean much as they'll be on electric for all the high speeds stretches anyway!

Depends on the day and circumstances. It is not unusual to see a Class 800 running in diesel only mode. But less likely than 6 months ago.

 

[Railperf]

All I know is that the HSTs I travel on seem to take ages to actually move after the power comes on. I know it probably isn't that long - it just seems it.

Yes they do. But they were designed to cruise long distances with few stops and not today's stopping patterns.

 

[43096]

Yes they do. But they were designed to cruise long distances with few stops and not today's stopping patterns.

So the comparison in this thread is a pointless exercise then. Different designs, separated by 40 years, with different design criteria.

 

[samuelmorris]

So the comparison in this thread is a pointless exercise then. Different designs, separated by 40 years, with different design criteria.

Not all. I mean, it's perhaps been done to death by now, but comparisons are perfectly valid - the way the railway operates has changed - here comes along a newer design of train designed (or so you'd hope) with that new mode of operation in mind - how does it compare to the previous generation of rolling stock which wasn't designed for current conditions? It should be substantially better. How much better? That's what the data from RPS is helpful in providing to the general public.

 

[83G/84D]

Set 107 was at the north end of Newcastle station earlier, it appeared to be parked up in a siding. Set 104 was in York station a short while ago and appeared ready to head south.

 

[83G/84D]

Set 107 was at the north end of Newcastle station earlier, it appeared to be parked up in a siding. Set 104 was in York station a short while ago and appeared ready to head south.

And if anyone is interested set number 108 was at Kings Cross an hour ago.

 

[Mollman]

So the comparison in this thread is a pointless exercise then. Different designs, separated by 40 years, with different design criteria.

Yes, that's why the PR 'Isn't the new much better than the old' is guff.

 

[SeaKing]

Saw 106 & 112 at Tyne Yard what is the 3rd.
Many Thanks

 

[800001]

Saw 106 & 112 at Tyne Yard what is the 3rd.
Many Thanks

109 is the 3rd

 

[SeaKing]

109 is the 3rd

Cheers

 

[JDEunos]

Just saw an unliveried unit go past my work at Shipley

Testing for the Skipton to LKX route?

 

[SeaKing]

What was 5Q21 seen Approching York 11.45 today, and 5Q05 waiting to depart Retford at 12.10.
Many Thanks

 

[800001]

What was 5Q21 seen Approching York 11.45 today, and 5Q05 waiting to depart Retford at 12.10.
Many Thanks

5Q05 - 800104
5Q21 - 800113

 

[SeaKing]

5Q05 - 800104
5Q21 - 800113

Cheers, not easy to get from a passing train.

 

[Silver Cobra]

I've just booked myself a return journey from Arlesey to Blackpool North via Leeds for the middle of June, and from the seat map for reserving on the LNER leg of the journey, it seems I'm booked on Azumas in both directions. So this will be my first experience of the Azumas upon their introduction, unless any last minute substitutions occur.

Interesting to see that the 9-car Azumas introduce another new coach letter configuration, using the following:

A - B - C - G (Shop/Food Bar) - H - J - K (1st) - L (1st) - M (1st)

That'll probably cause a fair amount of confusion for passengers during the early days, as they won't match up with the signs at most of the stations.

 

[ChrisG382000]

I've just booked myself a return journey from Arlesey to Blackpool North via Leeds for the middle of June, and from the seat map for reserving on the LNER leg of the journey, it seems I'm booked on Azumas in both directions. So this will be my first experience of the Azumas upon their introduction, unless any last minute substitutions occur.

Interesting to see that the 9-car Azumas introduce another new coach letter configuration, using the following:

A - B - C - G (Shop/Food Bar) - H - J - K (1st) - L (1st) - M (1st)

That'll probably cause a fair amount of confusion for passengers during the early days, as they won't match up with the signs at most of the stations.

Out of interest, which service are you travelling on? Trying to find an Azuma on the booking system but no luck so far

 

[Silver Cobra]

Out of interest, which service are you travelling on? Trying to find an Azuma on the booking system but no luck so far

I'm travelling on the 0803 Kings Cross - Leeds service on Monday 17th June (0851 from Peterborough) and the 1345 Leeds - Kings Cross service on Thursday 20th June

 

[800001]

I've just booked myself a return journey from Arlesey to Blackpool North via Leeds for the middle of June, and from the seat map for reserving on the LNER leg of the journey, it seems I'm booked on Azumas in both directions. So this will be my first experience of the Azumas upon their introduction, unless any last minute substitutions occur.

Interesting to see that the 9-car Azumas introduce another new coach letter configuration, using the following:

A - B - C - G (Shop/Food Bar) - H - J - K (1st) - L (1st) - M (1st)

That'll probably cause a fair amount of confusion for passengers during the early days, as they won't match up with the signs at most of the stations.

Same lettering as on gwr, I can imagine the platform letters will be removed.

 

[A7rud]

800107 on 5Q43/44 Newcastle / Edinburgh / Newcastle.

 

[wils180]

Same lettering as on gwr, I can imagine the platform letters will be removed.

pretty much; gwr have an F and don’t have an M

 

[800001]

pretty much; gwr have an F and don’t have an M

Apologies forgot they have slightly less 1st and more standard.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Set 102 was on 5Q03 York - Peterborough this morning

 

[chuff chuff]

The end of the video ends up around 7.9 miles with the train doing 123mph ...note the time taken to get there. An average HST takes 6 mins 15 seconds to reach 7.9 miles and is only doing 115mph at that point!
Or in other words - in 5 minutes FROM REST - a Class 800 is over 2 miles ahead of the HST!!

As a small aside I've had a few goes at 0-100 with the four coach scotrail hst and your looking at two and a quarter miles and two and a half minutes to get hit that mark.