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LM Class 350 diagram on Wolverhampton - Walsall stopper?

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I've been looking at the new LM Wolverhampton - Birmingham New St timetable starting 9th Dec, and for the (Monday-Friday) 06:49 from Wolverhampton to Walsall, first class accomdation isn't available, whereas on the old timetable, first class accomdation is available, stating that the diagram will be class 350. Does this mean that this diagram will be class 323 rather than class 350?

Timetable below:-
http://www.londonmidland.com/download/72481.5/wolverhampton-sandwell-and-dudley-birmingham/
 
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I've been looking at the new LM Wolverhampton - Birmingham New St timetable starting 9th Dec, and for the (Monday-Friday) 06:49 from Wolverhampton to Walsall, first class accomdation isn't available, whereas on the old timetable, first class accomdation is available, stating that the diagram will be class 350. Does this mean that this diagram will be class 323 rather than class 350?

Timetable below:-
http://www.londonmidland.com/download/72481.5/wolverhampton-sandwell-and-dudley-birmingham/


It's a Class 321 diagram I believe.
 

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It's a Class 321 diagram I believe.

321s I believe aren't allocated to anything that goes Northampton to Birmingham/Crewe because I was told they don't have the full radio equipment. More likely to be a 323. That will please some!!

However I believe sometimes a 170 appears on a stopper so it could be that they intend that to be 170 to Walsall to then do a Rugley Trent Valley diagram later that day?
 

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It won't be a 321 I don't think, they DO have first class and as Trainbasher says they never get north of Northampton any more.
 

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The reason it's currently booked for a 350 is that the train then goes on to form a Walsall to Liverpool service. In the new timetable the Walsall to Liverpool service is a little later, and is formed off a service that originated at Birmingham.
 

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Can be certain it won't be a 321. Can't remember if its stock or drivers (latter I think) but they can no longer go north of Northampton in passenger service now, and haven't been able to for some time
 

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321s I believe aren't allocated to anything that goes Northampton to Birmingham/Crewe because I was told they don't have the full radio equipment. More likely to be a 323. That will please some!!

However I believe sometimes a 170 appears on a stopper so it could be that they intend that to be 170 to Walsall to then do a Rugley Trent Valley diagram later that day?

That's not a bad shout. I have seen a 170 on a Saturday night working Wolverhampton to Walsall, would make sense too
 

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From what I can decipher from Realtime Trains, the 0649 Wolverhampton to Walsall is being split from the December timetable change into separate trains.

The Wolverhampton section will now run through from Shrewsbury as the 0558 Shrewsbury to Birmingham New Street, which goes on to form the 0726 Birmingham New Street to Shrewsbury (so presumably will be formed of a 170), whilst the Walsall section runs through from Crewe as the 0620 Crewe to Walsall (booked a 350), which returns as the 0801 Walsall to Birmingham New Street, then joins the 0811 Coventry to Birmingham New Street to form the 0854 Birmingham New Street to London Euston.

EDIT: The 0649 Wolverhampton to Walsall doesn't exist in the current timetable, but these are the arrangements in the new timetable...
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Having looked at the new timetable, it appears the 0619 Wolverhampton to Walsall had first class and no longer does - this is what now happens with it...

The 0619 Wolverhampton to Walsall terminates at Birmingham New Street, returning as the 0708 Birmingham New Street to Wolverhampton (which used to be formed of an ECS working from Wolverhampton). This diagram is a Class 323.

The 0647 Birmingham New Street to Walsall is still a Class 350, formed from the 0617 Birmingham International to Birmingham New Street (which appears to stable in Birmingham International station overnight). It then goes on to form the 0730 Walsall to Liverpool Lime Street as it does today.
 
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