LM 350/3 discussion (was Construction Progress)

[sd0733]

The diagram sheets at work show diagrams for the /3s as being seperate diagrams so should be fairly easy to hunt down.
From what iv been told management werent too keen on them going to Liverpool as they dont want them getting vandalised.

Coventry sign 350s yes as do Crewe, wolverhampton, new street, northampton, bletchley and watford its the GsMR which is the problem as a lot of staff either arent trained on it at all r have run out of competency having not used it for 3 months.

 

[wellwhatitis]

But do Coventry sign 350s at all?

I thought Birmingham signed 350s for Liverpool services?

Yes both depots do but not the mark 3's yet.

 

[JonathanH]

The diagram sheets at work show diagrams for the /3s as being seperate diagrams so should be fairly easy to hunt down.
From what iv been told management werent too keen on them going to Liverpool as they dont want them getting vandalised.

Coventry sign 350s yes as do Crewe, wolverhampton, new street, northampton, bletchley and watford its the GsMR which is the problem as a lot of staff either arent trained on it at all r have run out of competency having not used it for 3 months.

Does that mean that they are predominantly concentrated on the Euston to Crewe services and peak fast services from Northampton to / from Euston for the time?

 

[sd0733]

Does that mean that they are predominantly concentrated on the Euston to Crewe services and peak fast services from Northampton to / from Euston for the time?

Yes, should be for now, saw 375 working the 13:02 Crewe-Euston today but that was all I saw. I had worked a /1 on a Wolves-Walsall stopper which seems a waste if those are diagrammed for that especially with /2s still on Birmingham-Liverpools.

 

[the sniper]

But do Coventry sign 350s at all?

There wouldn't be much for them to work out of Coventry if they didn't sign 350s!

 

[hassaanhc]

350375 350373+350110 on the 2K61 0759 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston
350375 350373 on the 1U29 0946 London Euston to Crewe

350372+350371+350256 on the 2T42 0826 Tring to London Euston

 

[JonathanH]

350375+350110 on the 2K61 0759 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston
350375 on the 1U29 0946 London Euston to Crewe

350372+350371+350256 on the 2T42 0826 Tring to London Euston

Add to that 350374 on 1U37 1346 London Euston to Crewe and 350369 on 1U39 1446 London Euston to Crewe

350372+350371+350114 2K34 1547 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston, 372 and 371 having spent the day at Bletchley CS. These should then work 1W65 1716 London Euston to Northampton.

I think 350373 worked the 0946 Euston to Crewe as it was in platform 7 this evening as the rear unit of the 1705 Euston to Milton Keynes having worked in from Crewe.

368+375 were coupled to another unit in Camden CSD. 350376 was also stabled there between the peaks as a country end unit so I just missed 370 and 377 today.

 

[sd0733]

I think 350373 worked the 0946 Euston to Crewe as it was in platform 7 this evening as the rear unit of the 1705 Euston to Milton Keynes having worked in from Crewe.

yes can confirm the 9:46 was definitely 373 as i was on it.

 

[hassaanhc]

yes can confirm the 9:46 was definitely 373 as i was on it.

I worked out the unit number for the 0946 from the bold P10 number shown on RealTimeTrains, so either there was a set swap or I've misread the number and my 0913 Birmingham train departed from that Platform 10 as a single unit after splitting from that /3 :/
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I somehow managed to get 350369 from Rugby at 1953 on its return from Crewe (1802 from there, arriving Euston 2050)

London Midland 350369 on the 1802 Crewe to London Euston by hassaanhc, on Flickr

 

[JonathanH]

Wednesday 17 December

350373 2U23 0624 London Euston to Crewe
350374+350234 2T02 0623 Tring to London Euston
350372+350371+350243 1N78 0618 Northampton to London Euston
350123+350369 2K11 0653 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central
350127+350368+350375 1N09 0813 London Euston to Northampton

350370 and 350377 both at Northampton depot. 350376 stabled at Camden CSD for the evening peak.

350127+350368+350375 2T81 1605 London Euston to Tring
350370+350263 2Y14 1605 Northampton to London Euston
350118+350369 2K91 1705 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central
350376+350122 1U47 1849 London Euston to Crewe (350122 detached at Northampton

So, nine in use out of ten today.

 

[DarloRich]

Nice ot have a new train on my daily commute from Bletchley to MK

The 0716 service seems to be a 350/3 - hopefully this is a regular working as i use this train on a saturday to get up to the north east and the plugs will be very helpful!

 

[JonathanH]

Wednesday 17 December

350373 2U23 0624 London Euston to Crewe
350374+350234 2T02 0623 Tring to London Euston
350372+350371+350243 1N78 0618 Northampton to London Euston
350123+350369 2K11 0653 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central
350127+350368+350375 1N09 0813 London Euston to Northampton

350370 and 350377 both at Northampton depot. 350376 stabled at Camden CSD for the evening peak.

350127+350368+350375 2T81 1605 London Euston to Tring
350370+350263 2Y14 1605 Northampton to London Euston
350118+350369 2K91 1705 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central
350376+350122 1U47 1849 London Euston to Crewe (350122 detached at Northampton

So, nine in use out of ten today.

So, based on my observations on Tuesday and Wednesday, I think that these are the diagrams that 9 350/3s have been operating. The tenth appears to be spare at Northampton.

Diagram 1
5N04 0359 Northampton Emd to Northampton 0406
2N06 0449 Northampton to London Euston 0612
2U23 0624 London Euston to Crewe 0938
1U26 1002 Crewe to London Euston 1250
1U37 1346 London Euston to Crewe 1624
1U40 1702 Crewe to London Euston 1950
2K21 2024 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central 2123
5B21 2130 Milton Keynes Central to Bletchley C.S. 2148

Works on its own except on 5N04

Diagram 2
5T02 0556 Bletchley C.S. to Tring 0619 (with
2T02 0623 Tring to London Euston 0706
1U25 0746 London Euston to Crewe 1024
1U28 1102 Crewe to London Euston 1350
1U39 1446 London Euston to Crewe 1724
1U42 1802 Crewe to London Euston 2050
2B27 2105 London Euston to Bletchley 2204
5B27 2209 Bletchley to Bletchley C.S. 2214

Coupled London end of a 350/2 on 5T02 / 2T02, otherwise works on its own

Diagram 3
5B02 0533 Bletchley C.S. to Bletchley 0536
2B02 0538 Bletchley to London Euston 0640
2K11 0653 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central 0748
2K61 0759 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston 0855
1U29 0946 London Euston to Crewe 1224
1U32 1302 Crewe to London Euston 1550
2K91 1705 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central 1805
5B91 1817 Milton Keynes Central to Bletchley C.S. 1830

Coupled London end of 350/1 until arrival at Euston on 2K61. Coupled London end of 350/1 for 2K91 / 5B91.

Diagram 4
1U00 0518 Crewe to London Euston 0805
5C00 0833 London Euston to Camden W.M. 0839
5J47 1658 Camden W.M. to London Euston 1705
2J47 1734 London Euston to Watford Junction 1755
3Y73 1808 Watford Junction to London Euston 1831
1U47 1849 London Euston to Crewe 2136
5U47 2145 Crewe to Crewe C.S. 2150
5U00 0109 Crewe C.S. to Crewe 0114

Coupled on the country end of a 350/1 from Northampton on 1U00 which is detached Northampton on 1U47. 2J47 / 3Y73 currently not running due to non-availability of platform 10 at Watford Junction until 5 January 2015 but ECS timing unchanged.

Diagrams 5 / 6
5N78 0558 Northampton Emd to Northampton 0605
1N78 0618 Northampton to London Euston 0722
2T15 0734 London Euston to Tring 0816
2T42 0826 Tring to London Euston 0908
2K29 0924 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central 1021
5B29 1035 Milton Keynes Central to Bletchley C.S. 1053
5K34 1519 Bletchley C.S. to Milton Keynes Central 1534
2K34 1547 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston 1645
1W65 1716 London Euston to Northampton 1815
5N65 1824 Northampton to Northampton Emd 1852

Two units - coupled London end of a 350/2 until Milton Keynes Central on 2K29, joins London end of 350/1 at Milton Keynes Central for 2K34. 350/1 goes to Birmingham New Street after detachment at Northampton.

Diagrams 7 / 8
5N82 0638 Northampton Emd to Northampton 0646
1W82 0700 Northampton to London Euston 0802
1N09 0813 London Euston to Northampton 0910
1N70 0925 Northampton to London Euston 1027
5C70 1036 London Euston to Camden C.S.D. 1042
5T81 1536 Camden C.S.D. to London Euston 1543
2T81 1605 London Euston to Tring 1647
2T02 1656 Tring to London Euston 1738
1W67 1749 London Euston to Northampton 1848
5N67 1901 Northampton to Northampton Emd 1929

Two units - coupled London end of 350/1 all day until 350/1 works onwards to Birmingham New Street on 1W67

Diagram 9
5Y14 1517 Northampton Emd to Northampton 1553
2Y14 1605 Northampton to London Euston 1718
2K95 1730 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central 1826
2K06 1847 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston 1946
2Y25 1954 London Euston to Northampton 2107
5K24 2142 Northampton to Milton Keynes Central 2157
2K24 2205 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston 2312
2N99 0004 London Euston to Northampton 0126
5N99 0157 Northampton to Northampton Emd 0225

Coupled London end of 350/2 until 350/2 works on to Birmingham New Street on 2Y25. 5K24/2K24/2N99/5N99 deduced from Realtimetrains.

 

[southern442]

I worked out the unit number for the 0946 from the bold P10 number shown on RealTimeTrains, so either there was a set swap or I've misread the number and my 0913 Birmingham train departed from that Platform 10 as a single unit after splitting from that /3 :/
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I somehow managed to get 350369 from Rugby at 1953 on its return from Crewe (1802 from there, arriving Euston 2050)

London Midland 350369 on the 1802 Crewe to London Euston by hassaanhc, on Flickr

Looks very shiny!

 

[sd0733]

Thats interesting, not the hardest worked fleet are they looking at some of those.
As there is only the one unit overnighting at Crewe the 'diagram 4' unit must do a week on that diagram. I know there is a Sunday diagram starting from Crewe for a /3 so presumably thats the unit from that diagram to get it back to Northampton/bletchley and another will work sunday and spend the night in Crewe ready for 1U00 monday morning, not aware of any Saturday workings for them at the Crewe end.

 

[JonathanH]

Thats interesting, not the hardest worked fleet are they looking at some of those.
As there is only the one unit overnighting at Crewe the 'diagram 4' unit must do a week on that diagram. I know there is a Sunday diagram starting from Crewe for a /3 so presumably thats the unit from that diagram to get it back to Northampton/bletchley and another will work sunday and spend the night in Crewe ready for 1U00 monday morning, not aware of any Saturday workings for them at the Crewe end.

There doesn't seem to be much swapping going on. Diagrams 1, 2 and 3 seem to cycle in that order (although I can't work out how the unit on diagram 3 moves from Bletchley to Northampton under what I have set out). 373 definitely worked the 1705 Euston to Milton Keynes on Tuesday and the 0624 Euston to Crewe on Wednesday.

 

[Class 170101]

Thats interesting, not the hardest worked fleet are they looking at some of those.
As there is only the one unit overnighting at Crewe the 'diagram 4' unit must do a week on that diagram. I know there is a Sunday diagram starting from Crewe for a /3 so presumably thats the unit from that diagram to get it back to Northampton/bletchley and another will work sunday and spend the night in Crewe ready for 1U00 monday morning, not aware of any Saturday workings for them at the Crewe end.

I would suggest that the 350/1s and 350/3s will work as a common pool so a unit will not spend a week on one diagram.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I'm not sure about those diagrams, I had one on the London end of the 1904 Euston to Tring on Monday.

Had two of them on the 1704 Euston to Tring tonight too.

 

[sd0733]

I would suggest that the 350/1s and 350/3s will work as a common pool so a unit will not spend a week on one diagram.

They arent at the moment as the /3s are not going to Birmingham either from Euston or Liverpool so there are limited amount of which diagrams they work so there are definitely seperate diagrams for them.

 

[causton]

Quite annoying that these pass so close to me but none are convenient! If the diagrams posted upthread are correct it means I might not be able to get them for a while unless I get one of the early morning workings because of my working hours!

 

[JonathanH]

I'm not sure about those diagrams, I had one on the London end of the 1904 Euston to Tring on Monday.

Had two of them on the 1704 Euston to Tring tonight too.

My post with the diagrams simply summarises what the 350/3s worked on Wednesday (and also on Tuesday) and there has been nothing posted on any gen group that I have seen which suggests other workings. However, nobody has confirmed that these are the official 350/3 workings. All we know from this thread is that there are set 350/1, 350/2 and 350/3 workings.

Looking at Realtimetrains, the 1904 Euston to Tring is worked using the rear eight coaches from the 1650 Euston to Birmingham which are detached at Northampton and return to Euston empty. The 1650 was a triplet of 350/2s on Wednesday which had spent the day in Camden sidings.

Presumably there are some diagrams which London Midland can send out any of 350/1 or 350/2 or even 350/3 to reflect the fleet availability levels and others which have to be formed of a particular type of unit for PIXC reasons, Project 110 requirements or, at the moment, working to Birmingham.

 

[Class 170101]

They arent at the moment as the /3s are not going to Birmingham either from Euston or Liverpool so there are limited amount of which diagrams they work so there are definitely seperate diagrams for them.

By the sounds of it though nothing to stop a 350/3 working between London and Northampton on a former Silverlink service. My point was that the 350/3 above is isolated and doesn't ever get a chance to visit Northampton TMD, this wouldn't be the case.

 

[87015]

My point was that the 350/3 above is isolated and doesn't ever get a chance to visit Northampton TMD, this wouldn't be the case.

Obvious answer would be that it will simply swap at Camden when required to come off diagram for maintenance or whatever.

 

[Kristofferson]

Apologies for the bump, but this poster was at my local station:

http://imgur.com/oNO2BRa

If you're looking for 350/3s, the poster suggests that services in red are formed of at least one of the new trains.

 

[Chorley Cake]

Apologies for the bump, but this poster was at my local station:

http://imgur.com/oNO2BRa

If you're looking for 350/3s, the poster suggests that services in red are formed of at least one of the new trains.

Extra carriages but not necessarily formed from new units though.

 

[MCR247]

...providing lots more seat in and out of London

Good to see that they proof read it

 

[Kristofferson]

Chorley: I thought that might be the case. As good a starting point as any to find them though.

 

[sd0733]

The red blocks are just additional coaches, not necessarily /3s some will be /1s and /2s freed up from other workings by the /3s.
The diagrams posted earlier in the thread are a good starting point if you want to find them as from my observations for the standard monday-friday timetable they do seem pretty accurate.