Grumpy Git
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Does anyone know why every service today is a 319?
What's happened to the 331's?
What's happened to the 331's?
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Liverpool - Blackpool North 03/10/2023 - Where are the 331s?
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lrailadventure
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Liverpool to Blackpool North services are usually formed of 319s, unless I'm missing something?
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Yep basically there was a shift in diagrams in May. 319s were moved away from Piccadilly to be based more around Liverpool.
darylyates17
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319s are going off lease in November, 331s are expected to return on the LIV-WGN/BPN services.
As far as I am aware the three car Class 331/0 are going to Yorkshire and the four car Class 331/1 are coming over as a swap in December. I have certainly be advised the four car Class 331/1 will ply their trade on the L&M route instead of the 3 car Class 323's, unless all changed again?
They're all running Manchester-Crewe and Manchester-Stoke!
Plus other places. But no 319s in Wilmslow normally.
See https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ams-ending-november-2023.254654/#post-6413013 for all the diagrams including Liverpool-Blackpool services.
Shaw S Hunter
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I haven't checked the leaf-fall adjusted timetable for all diagrams but there is still a working in the evening peak. 2N99 1708 Lime Street-Blackpool N (1838) with a balancing 1F06 1905 Blackpool N-Lime Street (2021). Both are (normally) worked by a pair of 331s which are swapped at Blackpool by interworking with the Manchester Airport service, 331015+331008 for 331025+331004 today. Something like this has worked the route for quite a while now.
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On Sundays, they are mostly 331/0s, single or in pairs.
Does this mean that the Leeds -Doncaster will reduce to 3 car, or become 6?
I don't know how busy this route is as I've only ever done it during the day, but assumed the peaks would be...
For now (end of November) the Leeds to Doncaster will become 3 car 331. The plan being that Doncaster drivers are to be trained on the 333’s which will replace the 3 car 331’s. The 331’s eventually running round the triangle (with some 6 car workings) when the platform extension work has been completed.
I think you need to direct the question to 'Northern' they are the ones who should know. However, it depends on how many Class 331/0's travel east I suppose but I think it is like for like swap so would suggest the answer to your question could will be no, they could be travelling 3 car Units? If so welcome to our world in the west!
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