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What about Clapham Jn to Waterloo on the Windsor side? That was basically four track before they altered it for Eurostar - it should all be reverted to how it was, with that flyover removed as well...
 
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Leeds to York would be nice. Some of the structures, such as Garforth road bridge, were actually built to take 4 tracks.
 

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Baker Street-Aldgate on the Circle Line, and possibly Tower Hill-Gloucester Road Junction as well. Perhaps best done with new lines underneath the old ones (if technically possible) or even separating out Metropolitan trains altogether, thus grade-separating Baker Street Junction.

And of course Welwyn, which I'd do by lifting the fast lines out from the others at WGC, building a new bridge capable of taking 140 mph alongside the old one, two new tunnels also 140-capable, and then flying the fast lines back in at Woolmer Green. The most expensive option, but it allows an extension of the 125 limit to Hatfield, and maybe 140 at some point in the future.
 

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What about Clapham Jn to Waterloo on the Windsor side? That was basically four track before they altered it for Eurostar - it should all be reverted to how it was, with that flyover removed as well...

The flyover might still be useful for diversions during the London Bridge rebuilding, or a potential Victoria platform-lengthening. However, I'd prefer to see the fast lines diverted down the old Eurostar route (modified flyover) so that Weymouth and Exeter trains get the advantage of the best platforms. Also needs minimal track alterations at Waterloo.
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The line north of Rotherham Masborough - as it used to be!

That's where two routes got coalesced into one. I'd certainly like to see that happen, with Masborough reopening so that trains on the former-LMS line run that way while those on the former-LNER use Central. Helps to disentangle the two networks in Yorkshire.
 

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I would agree with Shenfield to Colchester. At Shenfield where the portakabins and siding are next to Platform 1, I would turn that into an extra platform (platform 0 anyone?), and make this the platform used by trains from Southend and for EMU's from destinations on the GEML so the Norwich services can fly through on the current platform 1 and overtake, with platform 1 being considerably realigned to allow trains to come through fast. I would 4 track it all the way to just before Chelmsford where I would reduce it to 3 tracks and reinstate the fast line in between the two platforms. Everything stops at Chelmsford apart from freight and one Norwich express an hour and the freights would have no need to overtake so this third track at Chelmsford only has to be used once an hour in each direction, and you could probably do without it to be honest. From Chelmsford I would 4 track all the way to Colchester (not counting various bridges and Marks Tey station). The Braintree platform at Witham would be used for EMU's while the Norwich's could overtake on the current up and down platforms, with the far London bound platform being used by EMU's to allow the Norwich's to overtake in the up direction. At Marks Tey I'd obviously have to completely rebuild the station to suit with the Sudbury platform being moved into the area where the car park is. With the 4 tracks between here and Colchester I would run the sprinter from Sudbury to Colchester every hour. With the 4 tracks I would amend and add the following services (presuming stock was available): Colchester Town, Ipswich and one Clacton train an hour all stations to Shenfield from Colchester apart from Hatfield Peverel, providing a train every 20 minutes for these stations with Hatfield Peverel calls being put onto the hourly Braintree service, and these four services would make use of the new 'slow' lines. I would run a fast Clacton every hour and reinstate an hourly Harwich service, calling at Witham, Chelmsford, Shenfield, Stratford and Liverpool Street after Colchester, these making use of the fasts with the Norwich expresses. The slows would be very well used with four trains an hour in each direction on some sections plus various ECS's and freight as well and this allows Norwich services to be speeded up. Also as an aside I would upgrade the fasts to 110 to make use of the 90's top speed. :) Wow quite an essay I've written there aha. :lol: :)
 

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The flyover might still be useful for diversions during the London Bridge rebuilding, or a potential Victoria platform-lengthening. However, I'd prefer to see the fast lines diverted down the old Eurostar route (modified flyover) so that Weymouth and Exeter trains get the advantage of the best platforms. Also needs minimal track alterations at Waterloo.

All the evidence in the RUSs suggests that diverting services into Waterloo International isn't likely - although it initially seems a great idea NR reckon there isn't enough capacity for additional services on the lines leading towards the flyover, whether from the southeastern or central divisions, eg through the Herne Hill area.

But for obvious reasons you can't possibly re-use the existing flyover to switch the mains over to the other side of the layout, because the approach to the flyover on the down side would have to cross all the high level lines into Victoria which are on the same level. (That's 9 tracks on three separate alignments - a satellite view will show the problems.)

The position of a proposed flyover to do that has already been decided, and it would have to be between Clapham Jn and Queenstown Rd...
 

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I would agree with Shenfield to Colchester. At Shenfield where the portakabins and siding are next to Platform 1, I would turn that into an extra platform (platform 0 anyone?), and make this the platform used by trains from Southend and for EMU's from destinations on the GEML so the Norwich services can fly through on the current platform 1 and overtake, with platform 1 being considerably realigned to allow trains to come through fast. I would 4 track it all the way to just before Chelmsford where I would reduce it to 3 tracks and reinstate the fast line in between the two platforms. Everything stops at Chelmsford apart from freight and one Norwich express an hour and the freights would have no need to overtake so this third track at Chelmsford only has to be used once an hour in each direction, and you could probably do without it to be honest. From Chelmsford I would 4 track all the way to Colchester (not counting various bridges and Marks Tey station). The Braintree platform at Witham would be used for EMU's while the Norwich's could overtake on the current up and down platforms, with the far London bound platform being used by EMU's to allow the Norwich's to overtake in the up direction. At Marks Tey I'd obviously have to completely rebuild the station to suit with the Sudbury platform being moved into the area where the car park is. With the 4 tracks between here and Colchester I would run the sprinter from Sudbury to Colchester every hour. With the 4 tracks I would amend and add the following services (presuming stock was available): Colchester Town, Ipswich and one Clacton train an hour all stations to Shenfield from Colchester apart from Hatfield Peverel, providing a train every 20 minutes for these stations with Hatfield Peverel calls being put onto the hourly Braintree service, and these four services would make use of the new 'slow' lines. I would run a fast Clacton every hour and reinstate an hourly Harwich service, calling at Witham, Chelmsford, Shenfield, Stratford and Liverpool Street after Colchester, these making use of the fasts with the Norwich expresses. The slows would be very well used with four trains an hour in each direction on some sections plus various ECS's and freight as well and this allows Norwich services to be speeded up. Also as an aside I would upgrade the fasts to 110 to make use of the 90's top speed. :) Wow quite an essay I've written there aha. :lol: :)

I'd give you a good mark for it. :D

Shenfield-Colchester is quite convenient, since for much of it you could simply build a new double-track line alongside the old one. Therefore, I'd go for two new 110 mph lines to the south of the old ones, including new bridges and a much-expanded Chelmsford station, meaning a new viaduct alongside the old one. When built, slew the fasts over (presumably during a Christmas period) to connect with the new lines and link the old ones into the slows. I'd think about 125, in case they decide to cascade the 91s. Which they probably won't, considering that their acceleration leaves a bit to be desired, so I might rule it out on those grounds. 110 sounds fine.

At Colchester itself, there might need to be a flyover at the west end to compliment the diveunder at the east end (Rugby-like arrangement). The diveunder is wide enough for double-track, so that should happen, enabling a rearrangement of the up Clacton. Ideally, I'd like to move the up-side building south and put the new platforms south of the old ones, effectively by linking the west and east bays into through platforms, then slew the new lines back onto their old course east of the diveunder. There's another Christmas project in that.
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All the evidence in the RUSs suggests that diverting services into Waterloo International isn't likely - although it initially seems a great idea NR reckon there isn't enough capacity for additional services on the lines leading towards the flyover, whether from the southeastern or central divisions, eg through the Herne Hill area.

But for obvious reasons you can't possibly re-use the existing flyover to switch the mains over to the other side of the layout, because the approach to the flyover on the down side would have to cross all the high level lines into Victoria which are on the same level. (That's 9 tracks on three separate alignments - a satellite view will show the problems.)

The position of a proposed flyover to do that has already been decided, and it would have to be between Clapham Jn and Queenstown Rd...

Yes, that does present a problem. :?

There has to be an answer, but that flyover seems as though it ought to be useful, but just isn't. The Victoria platform lengthening is another pet project, and International would be ideal here, since the Chatham side would be the side being lengthened, meaning trains pathed through Brixton anyway.
 

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This is what I would like quadrupled:
  • Longbridge - Stoke Works
This is so the fast and slow lines can be separated between Longbridge and Bromsgrove, following Bromsgrove electrification. South of Bromsgrove, the line would be split into 2 tracks for XC line and 2 for Hereford line. The line between Droitwich Spa and Stoke Works would need to be redoubled.

  • Soho-Birmingham New St
I don't know how it would be done but the only hard bit would be as the track goes into the tunnel under the NIA at the approach to New St. This would alleviate capacity issues and services from Stourbridge could be reintroduced.

  • Droitwich Spa-Worcester Tunnel Junction
This would be so that the Snow Hill services and New St. services could be separated, this would allow service increases. This would eliminate the small headway that also currently causes restrictions
 

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I vote for Dr days Jct to Filton Abbey Wood & Didcot to Oxford

Maybe even the line between Bridgend & Cardiff central considering the amount of freight and passengers train's which currently go along that route and are expected to increase in the near future
 

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Longbridge - Stoke Works
This is so the fast and slow lines can be separated between Longbridge and Bromsgrove, following Bromsgrove electrification. South of Bromsgrove, the line would be split into 2 tracks for XC line and 2 for Hereford line. The line between Droitwich Spa and Stoke Works would need to be redoubled.

It has already been proven as part of the studies into Bromsgrove and putting knitting up that you could fit it all in with space to spare. I don't think you need all of Stoke Works to Droitwich doubled either. Sections at either end, yes, as it would allow trains off the main line and out of Droitwich and get them out the way.

Soho-Birmingham New St
I don't know how it would be done but the only hard bit would be as the track goes into the tunnel under the NIA at the approach to New St. This would alleviate capacity issues and services from Stourbridge could be reintroduced.

You could do that by lowering the headways up to Galton. Soho wouldnt be enough as only 1 Walsall service an hour comes off there anyway I think. The all station stoppers are what massacre capacity up there.

Droitwich Spa-Worcester Tunnel Junction
This would be so that the Snow Hill services and New St. services could be separated, this would allow service increases. This would eliminate the small headway that also currently causes restrictions

Just re-signal it all and that would sort it, it is all absolute block round there so getting lower headways would bring capacity right up.
 

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im sure this has been confirmed as part of ordsall chord scheme

I don't think it has - what they describe in the report is four platforms at Piccadilly that 'correspond with' four at Oxford Rd - but there is no four tracking shown between them (there is a map in the spec that shows lengths of four tracking, but not here). The capacity is gained by signalling/headway improvements and by having two platfoms available in each direction at both stations so trains can arrive before the previous one has left.
 

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What about Clapham Jn to Waterloo on the Windsor side? That was basically four track before they altered it for Eurostar - it should all be reverted to how it was, with that flyover removed as well...

It is four track to West London Junction to Clapham, the remainder is three track which includes the Windsor reversible.
 

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Just re-signal it all and that would sort it, it is all absolute block round there so getting lower headways would bring capacity right up.
That's the problem, it's not going to get resignalled for ages, it's low priority in the 2016-2028 timescale (or whatever the dates are)
 

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I don't think it has - what they describe in the report is four platforms at Piccadilly that 'correspond with' four at Oxford Rd - but there is no four tracking shown between them (there is a map in the spec that shows lengths of four tracking, but not here). The capacity is gained by signalling/headway improvements and by having two platfoms available in each direction at both stations so trains can arrive before the previous one has left.

Fair enough, so there at least adding through platforms? or is it just resignalling that adds the platforms?
 

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Fair enough, so there at least adding through platforms? or is it just resignalling that adds the platforms?

Was there not a discussion on widening the viaduct to four track, between Manchester Piccadilly to Manchester Oxford Road (and possibly Deansgate), by extending the width of the current viaduct on the Altrincham Street side.

I am not sure if this discussion ever made it to the pages of a preliminary report.
 

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Not really sure that this would help. Oxford Road has four through tracks and at the moment everything stops at Piccadilly and Oxford Road anyway (so only two platforms are used regularly at Oxford Road). However as there are four tracks, a broken down train etc can be parked and the "spare" platforms used instead to maintain service.
 

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Not really sure that this would help. Oxford Road has four through tracks and at the moment everything stops at Piccadilly and Oxford Road anyway (so only two platforms are used regularly at Oxford Road). However as there are four tracks, a broken down train etc can be parked and the "spare" platforms used instead to maintain service.

I am thinking of the time when the Ordsall Chord is up and running, the First TPE North trains to Newcastle and Middlesbrough which will then go via Oxford Road will require platform availability. Platform 1 at Oxford Road is rarely used and could well be pressed back into service. I take your point about broken down trains. Deansgate is only a 2 platform station on a viaduct, so where then for holding capacity for such an eventuality? Can anyone suggest such a place, besides the Oxford Road bay platform 5 ? Shame that bay platform 6 was taken away, but that is having hindsight knowledge.
 

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Wolves-Birmingham New St, Shugborough Tunnel-Colwich Jn, Weaver Jn-Crewe and Nuneaton-Rugby.
 

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I am thinking of the time when the Ordsall Chord is up and running, the First TPE North trains to Newcastle and Middlesbrough which will then go via Oxford Road will require platform availability. Platform 1 at Oxford Road is rarely used and could well be pressed back into service. I take your point about broken down trains. Deansgate is only a 2 platform station on a viaduct, so where then for holding capacity for such an eventuality? Can anyone suggest such a place, besides the Oxford Road bay platform 5 ? Shame that bay platform 6 was taken away, but that is having hindsight knowledge.

Piccadilly Goods Loop
Piccadilly - Longsight Sidings
Oxford Road Platforms 5, 6 and 1 (Bringing back platform 6 would be nice)
Ordstall Lane Sidings
Trafford Park

Thats about all the dumping space I can think of in Manchester.

Also if 4 tracking where to happen, it would need to be an entirely new viaduct over the streets north of the current one, both prohibitavly expensive to do, so I don't think we'll be seeing it any time soon.

More likely is that the Piccadilly East Lines will be reconnected with Philips Park Junctions to link to Victoria with a station at Sportcity.

Realistically, over the viaduct currently...

Airport - Scotland / Barrow
Airport - Blackpool
Airport - Southport
Airport - Liverpool
Hazel Grove - Preston
Norwich - Liverpool
Llandudno - Piccadilly
Liverpool - Scarbrough

Oxford Road - Liverpool L St (2tph)
Stoke on Trent / Crewe - Oxford Road

With the ordstall curve, what I can see running over it would be, as through trains not terminating at Oxford Road

Airport - Blackpool
Airport - Scotland
Airport - Barrow / Windermere
Airport - Liverpool
Airport - Southport
Hazel Grove - Preston
Norwich - Liverpool
Piccadilly - Llandudno

This would be dirverting the Liverpool - Scarbrough services via Victoria. But with the curve to philips park re-instated (not needed for some of the following), more could be done.

Llandudno - Piccadilly is routed 'long way round' from Chat Moss to Victoria then through to Piccadilly East, unless all services get extened to Manchester Airport

Liverpool - Norwich gets routed via Victoria & Philips Park, calling at Chinley for interchange to Piccadilly and Stockport. Combined with a new 'faster' Norwich - Manchester service that is routed either way to Piccadilly and potentially calls at Stockport.

Under these plans Warrington Bank Quay and Liverpool South Parkway looses it's fast services to Manchester. I'd propose either of the following to 'keep them happy'

A change from 2/1 tph pk/op to 3tph Oxford Road (Piccadilly) - Liverpool Lime Street via CLC services. With four platforms at Piccadilly it will be easyer to terminate services on platforms 14 or 15 and have the 'Goods Loop' moved to be between these two platforms, potentially having two roads, so that terminating trains do not interfere with the slow lines in and out of piccadilly.

Alternativly, still with the new centre terminating goods loops at Piccadilly, 2tph stoppers and 2tph fastish services over the CLC to Liverpool L St from Piccadilly. Although I'd beleive that 3tph all stations would be better for the commuters on the CLC lines, and that anyone wanting to travel fast from Warrington would use Bank Quay on either an ATW Service to Piccadilly/Victoria or one of the ideas I've seen bounced about for TPE to keep serving Warrington from Leeds and York by sending one of the TPE North trains to Chester via Warrington BQ.
 

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I'd give you a good mark for it. :D

Shenfield-Colchester is quite convenient, since for much of it you could simply build a new double-track line alongside the old one. Therefore, I'd go for two new 110 mph lines to the south of the old ones, including new bridges and a much-expanded Chelmsford station, meaning a new viaduct alongside the old one. When built, slew the fasts over (presumably during a Christmas period) to connect with the new lines and link the old ones into the slows. I'd think about 125, in case they decide to cascade the 91s. Which they probably won't, considering that their acceleration leaves a bit to be desired, so I might rule it out on those grounds. 110 sounds fine.

At Colchester itself, there might need to be a flyover at the west end to compliment the diveunder at the east end (Rugby-like arrangement). The diveunder is wide enough for double-track, so that should happen, enabling a rearrangement of the up Clacton. Ideally, I'd like to move the up-side building south and put the new platforms south of the old ones, effectively by linking the west and east bays into through platforms, then slew the new lines back onto their old course east of the diveunder. There's another Christmas project in that.
Thank you. ;) :lol: I'd disagree with the Chelmsford point. Like I already stated only one passenger train each way an hour doesn't stop there, you don't need to four-track through Chelmsford, at most all you need to do is provide a bi-di centre road. If you can path it so the non-stopping Norwich doesn't get stuck behind or have to slow for a service stopping at Chelmsford you don't have to bother with a centre road even. Again at Colchester I would disagree. If you made sure the up lines and the down lines ran parallel to each other you wouldn't need that. If you can picture it in your head I would have the four track arrangement like this. Up slow, up fast, down fast, down slow, so you have the fasts in the middle and the slows on the outsides so there are no complicated crossovers or flyovers anywhere and the ups and the downs can simply combine at any point. Keep the down side of Colchester station as it is, with the platform where Clacton services call being the slow platform, and the Norwich platform being the fast. I would demolish the Balfour Beatty depot and move the sidings and maintenance depot over to allow a straighter, faster run on the slow line into Colchester. Then, the layout would be the same as it is now, with the current dive under for Clacton services (my additional fast Clacton service would crossover to the slow platform outside Colchester) and the fasts going over the Clacton line to Ipswich and Norwich. On the up side of the station I would change it considerably. I would demolish the station building and current ridiculously long platform and get rid of the car park, and have an island platform, with a bi-di track between the down fast and up fast which would allow more portion working and more operational and pathing flexibilty for any services not stopping at Colchester. I would have a second island platform, which would be through again, but primarily used to terminate trains from Colchester Town/Walton and London and would be 12 carriages long. These could be accessed via crossovers but I would keep it primarily for peak hour and in times of disruption and use them mainly as bay platforms. This way, you don't have to fork out for any new viaducts at Chelmsford or flyovers/unders at Colchester and you keep the cost lower and increase the feasibility and cost effectiveness of the whole project. :)


 
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I would agree with Shenfield to Colchester... Everything stops at Chelmsford apart from freight and one Norwich express an hour and the freights would have no need to overtake so this third track at Chelmsford only has to be used once an hour in each direction. From Chelmsford I would 4 track all the way to Colchester (not counting various bridges and Marks Tey station).

Half of the off peak Intercity's to Norwich stop at Chelmsford, but hardly any of the peak ones do - which is where you need the extra capacity.

The big problem with the GEML has always been that it mixes an Intercity service with commuter stopping services on the same piece of track. Other intercity lines are four track until they get out of the commuter band.

The ideal would certainly be a full four-tracking from Shenfield to Colchester, but that would be hideously expensive.

You could achieve a big improvement with just 4-tracking a smaller section to allow overtaking on a regular basis. Currently there are two evening peak overtakes, making use of the 4 platforms at Witham. The stopping service pulls into platform 4 and waits while the Intercity trains overtake them.

The major problem with this - is that timings need to be exact and both trains ultimately get slowed down, even under ideal timinga. The 18:30 LS to Norwich runs pretty fast until Ingatestone and then often trundles to Chelmsford because it has caught up with the stopping service - and that's if the timings are right.

If a section was four tracked, say between Hatfield Peverel and Witham - even though this is only 3 miles it would greatly increase the overtaking window, especially if the stopping service calls at both stations. Extending the four tracking from HP to Kelvedon (5 miles) increases the window further and would allow stopping and Intercity service to run every half hour.

(not counting various bridges and Marks Tey station).

I wouldn't have though that 4 tracking Mark's Tey would be much more difficult than any of the other stations (Keldevon, Hatfield Peverel). It's going to mean a major redevelopment of any station (not Witham of course, with is already 4 track).

The problem with going down to 2 lines is that it creates a bottleneck and renders the 4 tracks irrelevant. If a stopping service has to cross onto the fast lines, it means an Intercity train several miles back has to slow down.

If you only have one of them, you can get away with it to some degree (Welwyn viaduct on the ECML), but if you have several within a few miles of each other, you're basically limited to the throughput of 2 tracks anyway.
 

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If you only have one of them, you can get away with it to some degree (Welwyn viaduct on the ECML), but if you have several within a few miles of each other, you're basically limited to the throughput of 2 tracks anyway.

But, like you say earlier, If the services are timed well, surely sections of 4 track could allow overtaking if these section are well spread out.
 

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Well, the biggest problem is that the lines are paired by use west of Shenfield. Short of shutting down the whole line from Ilford to Shenfield, reversing the down main and up electric and turning the whole lot into a paired by direction route, there is not much we can do about that. Even if we just do the Shenfield-Chelmsford section, traffic onto the up electric will still have to cross the down fast. It might be possible to send the up electric parallel with the Southend loop at Shenfield, swinging the down electric out wide to avoid it, and there does seem to be room. However, it seems incredibly complicated, from Stratford, the down main is on the left, then second from the right, then would be second from the left. The up electric would go under a diveunder, then over a flyover, switching sides twice. Better just keep the lines paired by use.

Building separate main lines also means being able to avoid modifying stations. At Ingatestone, the station buildings are on the down side, so leave them as they are. They could slip the new lines between the old ones and the houses on the up side, or swing them 300 yards to the south and avoid the houses altogether. The first might allow new platforms, while the avoiding line would not. At Hatfield Peverall, the new lines would either have to scythe through the car park, or separate and follow the A12 for a bit. Whitham could be accommodated by slewing and reversing the direction of the current main lines (down loop becomes down electric, down main becomes up electric, up main becomes down main, up loop becomes up main). Kelvedon presents the same problems at Hatfield Peverall, only there the A12 has some tight curves to negotiate, making the avoiding line harder to build. Marks Tey again presents the same problem, and scything through the car park seems the only option there because the A12 is harder to access. Did there used to be a station at Lexden Heath? There is room for one. The proposed flyover would be a quarter-mile west of Colchester South Jcn, connecting the up passenger loop (extended and slewed wide) to the current up main (to become the up electric) allowing the new mains to pass underneath. As an alternative to moving all the buildings, it might just be possible to live with the current three through lines, but that puts a lot of pressure on the up main. A second line through the eastern diveunder, allowing freightliners from Ipswich to use it to access the down loop, might work to get them to the up electric without blocking up a platform. Without the flyover, that would be the only option. Only thing is, it does wipe out a road called Havering Close and flattens some of the gardens on the north side of Norfolk Crescent.

That only leaves Chelmsford, and the question is how to run the two halves together. Simply going around the side is not an option, we need four platforms. Going down to double track would mean up freightliners crossing the down main twice, and two flyovers would be a bit pointless. Swapping to paired by direction there would push up costs and make construction harder. The only real answer is to pull the whole lot down and start again. Two new lines alongside the old ones, new viaduct, new buildings (probably buried underneath), extra decks on the car park, the lot.

This approach is basically building a new double-track railway parallel to the old one. Although it means buying more land, it does not disrupt passing traffic, so means fewer closures. It is also easier to build avoiding lines than try to force through parallel to old ones at established stations.
 

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Does Norwich really warrant an Intercity style service? Given the pressure on the rest of the route I don't believe it does and I suspect in time it will disappear. It would be better served by EMUs with a far more suitable performance profile vs the other traction on the route.

As for 110 or 125, there's no justification for it, the journey time increases would be minimal.

I suspect if any radical infrastructure improvements are to be had on the GE, then they will involve double decker trains. Putting two new lines through the centre of Chelmsford is nigh on improssible.

Worth noting that the only section currently near to capacity is Shenfield to Chelmsford. Getting more bums on seats within those paths is the most effective way of using the capacity. DVT and loco is a luxury.
 

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I have always thought that an AC 444 (not a 350 but a 444 with a pan and no third rail shoe) would be perfect for the current Norwich-London operation...
 
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