Xenophon PCDGS
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Has anyone any pictures of this station and information on its opening and closing dates.
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Lincoln Globe Works Platform...did it carry a different station name?
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Gloster
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No such station listed in Quick’s Chronology. Listed are:
Central
High Street
Cowpaddle/Great Northern Terrace (Ticket platform)
Holmes (Ticket platform)
Stamp End (Ticket platform)
St Marks (also Ticket platform)
Holmes Goods Yard (non-timetable)
EDIT: I suspect this is Cowpaddle: first evidence 23 May 1862, seemingly still there 16 December 1912 and probably 6 October 1919; all derived from newspaper reports.
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Gloster
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Looking at the 1907 25” map and rereading Quick, it looks as though there were two platforms: one on the Boston line and one on the Grantham one. Possibly Great Northern Terrace applied to the Boston one and Cowpaddle to the Grantham one. The Grantham line one may still be there in 1930, but there is no sign of the Boston one.
There are footpaths linking both to a hut in the apex of the junction between the lines, which is presumably where the ticket collectors could shelter in inclement weather. They both disappear on the 1904 maps (it's a shame the 1887 sheet for central Lincoln is missing). Presumably they fell out of use by the turn of the century, either through the use of corridor stock or the installation of ticket gates at the GNR and Midland stations.
Gloster
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I finally got around to digging out The Lincoln to Grantham Line via Honington book (Squires, Oakwood, 1996) (grief knows how that got into my collection as it is way out of my usual areas of interest). He states that both ticket platforms appeared in 1882, although there may have been an earlier one on the Grantham line nearer Pelham Street Junction. With less certainty he suggests that the Grantham line one went out of use in the early years of the last century. The platform was needed because only GN&GCJR tickets would be collected at Central.
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So, what exactly was a "ticket platform" in a historical railway context, and how were they usually operated?
where trains stopped for a full ticket inspection before corridor coaches and vestibules/ gangways were a thing.
I think there are reports of injuries to railway staff walking along the outside footboards going from compartment to compartment doing ticket checks on moving trains.
DerekC
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I recall there being a ticket collection at Willesden Junction main line on a steam outer suburban service because of the open platforms at Euston, and that would have been in the early 60s - so the practice went on after WWII in some places (although of course Willesden Junction was a proper station, not just a ticket platform).
Xenophon PCDGS
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Another "ticket platform"-type station was Welford Road, built by the LNWR in 1874 to allow ticket verifictions on LNWR trains travelling to Leicester from the south of that station only.It closed in 1918.
The Hexthorpe accident (1887) was caused, as usual, by the combination of many factors, but one of those was the operation of a ticket platform. This was only used on some race days, and the signalling required to protect trains stopping there was not provided permanently but by flagmen. There is a summary of the events in the Railways Archive, and longer reports in newspapers of the legal proceedings (inquest and trial of the driver of the train that did not stop). I can't see that platform of any maps.
DerekC
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Good spot, @stuving - it's true that the platform isn't marked as such on any of the OS Maps available on NLS, but based on the sketch map attached to the accident report, the location was clearly just to the west of Green Lane bridge - seen on the following extracts. The date of the OS map survey is 1890, so six years after the accident - maybe the MS&L decided to remove the platform rather than install signalling to protect it. In any event, the existence of the platform seems proved by the accident report.
Plan from accident report
Extract from OS 25'':1 mile map surveyed 1890, published 1892 - courtesy of National Library of Scotland
This probably belongs in a separate thread, but, aside from Ticket Platforms, can anyone explain what qualifies a station to be called a "Platform" and how this was different from a "Halt"? There were quite a few in Scotland - the Highland had several (Drybridge Platform, Invergloy Platform, Tauchers Platform etc), as did the GNoSR (Bullers O'Buchan Platform, Drummuir Curlers' Platform) and the NBR (Blairfordel Platform, Parsons Platform, etc). No doubt lots of others.
I've always assumed that it was just that it was for private use - within the railway or perhaps by an employer or local VIP - so it never needed to be described as a station or similar to the public. But it was still a platform.
Gloster
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Quick’s Railway Passenger Stations in Great Britain A Chronology has an explanation (sort of) on page 38 for the term Halt. This starts, ‘simple stopping place, usually unstaffed, with basic provision of platform and, perhaps, minimal shelter’. A basic history includes the comment, ‘Company usage varied and was both erratic and inconsistent’. Elsewhere it says that platform was used for stops that ranked between stations and halts.
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EbbwJunction1
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Campbell's Platform on the Ffestiniog Railway is a private station for access to two houses (Plas-Y-Dduallt and Coed-y-Bleiddiau) near Tan-y-Bwlch. Intending passengers must check with the Ffestiniog Railway Company before embarking on their journey.
Campbell's Platform railway station - Wikipedia
Ticket Platforms were commonly shortly before a terminus, where trains stopped while tickets were collected, in the days before corridors where the ticket collectors worked from the outside through droplights/doors. The carriage scene in Alice Through the Looking Glass where tickets are inspected is modelled on one. It is not apparent what happened if you had the wrong or no ticket, as they often seemed to lack shelter or even public access. Sometimes the penultimate station served the purpose - the train that fell in the Tay Bridge collapse had its tickets collected at Wormit, which facilitated the count of passengers involved. There was considerable concern to collect tickets, as it was envisaged otherwise they could be used again.
Halts were particularly known as such so staff elsewhere did not consign parcels etc to there, as they had no staff. There were various means to sell tickets to such passengers in the days before corridor vehicles were normal. Some had shelter, some not; they normally did have lighting (including by oil lamps well into the 1960s) as otherwise they would be unusable after mid-afternoon in winter, which the guards of specified trains might have to turn on and off. On lines radiating from Taunton the guard might ask a reliable regular passenger to do them all on their way out - country folk knew well how to handle oil lamps.
Halts were particularly known as such so staff elsewhere did not consign parcels etc to there, as they had no staff. There were various means to sell tickets to such passengers in the days before corridor vehicles were normal. Some had shelter, some not; they normally did have lighting (including by oil lamps well into the 1960s) as otherwise they would be unusable after mid-afternoon in winter, which the guards of specified trains might have to turn on and off. On lines radiating from Taunton the guard might ask a reliable regular passenger to do them all on their way out - country folk knew well how to handle oil lamps.