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Level crossing justice

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merlodlliw

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Level crossing justice?

Readers may recall the incident on 19 July 2008 when a tractor was driven on to the line at Weston Rhyn level crossing, south of Chirk, against the red lights, and was hit by a Class 158. By something of a miracle, neither the driver nor anyone on the train was seriously injured.

After the usual long wait, the case was heard in front of a jury at Mold Crown Court on 25 November. Quoting from the press reports:

Mark Roberts, prosecuting, said the flashing lights and barriers were working correctly. There was also an audible alarm.

The train got to a maximum speed of 61mph after leaving Gobowen but driver Alex Cartwright applied the emergency brakes when he saw the tractor. Conductor Nathan Skivens, based at Chester, told how he saw a tractor fly through the air alongside the train. He raised the alarm to close the line. Among the train passengers was a doctor who went to the defendant’s aid.

Interviewed in August, the 25-pear-old tractor driver had said the lights were not flashing as he approached the level crossing. He saw the barrier coming down on the other side, looked to his left and saw the barrier coming down on top of the tractor cab.

He also said that he was taking the crossing slowly because it had a rough surface, and approached it at about 4 mph. Surely, according to the rules for automatic barrier crossings, as a slow-moving vehicle he should have telephoned the signaller for permission to cross, although this does not appear to have been mentioned in court.

A witness approaching in her Astra in the opposite direction, testified that she saw the amber then red lights, heard the alarm, but saw the tractor nudge its way onto the track. She realised there was going to be an accident, reversed out of the way and there was then a very loud bang, dust and smoke.

The upshot of all this: the driver was found 'not guilty' of either careless or dangerous driving, and Judge Eleri Rees reportedly told the jury she agreed with their verdicts.

Earlier this year, on 14 May, a lady drove her car on to the Cambrian Coast line at Fairbourne level crossing (which has light but no barriers) and was hit by a train. She 'claimed to have been distracted', and on admitting careless driving and was fined £40 with three penalty points, with £80 costs and £15 victim surcharge by magistrates in Dolgellau in September.

British Transport Police officer Bob Newman later told the Cambrian Coast railway conference that the normal fine for contravention of the red railway crossing lights was around £120. 'I have to admit that the £40 fine imposed was lenient and did not reflect the effect on the train driver, who needed time off work, or the inconvenience to the train passengers,' he said, adding that the motorist was very lucky that she was not seriously injured. Conference chairman Councillor Roberts, of Barmouth added: 'Such a low fine is sending out the wrong message.'

Sadly, the moral of these two stories appears to be: don't apologise, don't admit anything, don't plead guilty, you can wreck a train and not even get a fine.

Taken from North Wales Rail website dated 29th Nov www.nwrail.org.uk newsboard
 
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Disgusting. I hate farmers. There's one who lives down my street and he's a complete w****r! :-x :roll:
 

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On the face of it I have to agree that the justice dished out was very lenient.

If a car driver was to ignore red lights at a pedestrian crossing and knock down a few people would they get away with it like seems to be the case in these two instances?

By going onto a crossing when they were not supposed to do so they endangered the safety of people on the trains involved. Since when did stupidity become an acceptable defence!!
 

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When my Dad was a signal man at Farnham, there was a fight on the level crossing, he had to stop all the trains at Aldershot and Bentley. But I dont know how the people got prosecuted but I know a few of them got off scot free for causing a disruption on a very busy line.
 

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This seems an inexplicable judgement on the face of it. One wonders if there must be more to it than has been reported. A friend of mine is a magistrate and gets very cross when the press report a case from his court where it seems the magistrates handed down what appears to be an overly lenient sentence.

"If they'd been in court and heard all the evidence, they'd realise why that sentence was appropriate" he says.
 

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Four cars went through amber and red lights at Junction Road, Totton's LC last night. I recently stopped there on an amber, and others behind us likewise. A loony overtook and went through whilst the barriers were falling! I pray that the cameras got the idiot.
 

Sir_Clagalot

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You might find that the 'loony' was probably eastern european...
One was killed near my parents after he lost control at 100mph (in a 30 zone), and wrapped himself round a telegraph pole.
Ive also had a near miss on my way to work, tractor and trailer, three HGVs and a long line of cars coming the other way on a bend... I get to 100 yards away and some idiot is on my side of the road overtaking!! Probably off to one of the local meat packing companies (and late for work)
 

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Come on, no need for racist jibes.

Or to pick on farmers, like every profession there are good an bad ones. Maybe we should do a survey on which profession is most like to jump read lights, farmer? Lorry driver? Estate agent? Priest?
 

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Disgusting. I hate farmers. There's one who lives down my street and he's a complete w****r! :-x :roll:

What a T**tish comment I hate disrespect to Farmers!!!
You might find that the 'loony' was probably eastern european...

Racist assumption, could have been any nationality!!!

The farmer probably couldn't read hence he couldn't read 'stop when red lights show'

So ALL Farmers are thick and Can't read what anothere T**tish comment!!!
 
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What a T**tish comment I hate disrespect to Farmers!!!


Racist assumption, could have been any nationality!!!



So ALL Farmers are thick and Can't read what anothere T**tish comment!!!

;) Don't stand up for the him.
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You need to be able to read to drive a motor vehicle. Legally that is...

Im annoyed with you and your grumpy comments. Some of us do actually enjoy using these forums so stop raining on our parade! (sorry others about that rant)
 

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Im annoyed with you and your grumpy comments. Some of us do actually enjoy using these forums so stop raining on our parade! (sorry others about that rant)

Lol, ok then, I am guessing Devon Metro absolutely hates using the forum hence his 6700+ posts!

Fgw+xc+swtconn said:
All of them are. Well stupid enough to drive tractors and no go out and get a decent job.

I am sure they are not stupid enough to post utterly ridiculous comments like that one!
 

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If I ease past a red light at a crossroads and get hit my a 40tonne truck from the side, I am deemed to be liable and get points on my licence. I fail to see how this differs.
 

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Im annoyed with you and your grumpy comments. Some of us do actually enjoy using these forums so stop raining on our parade! (sorry others about that rant)

What - for three days you've been active to the last how many years, compared to the years devon_metro has been active... Fantastic work there!

For the record, I'm sure devon_metro wouldn't be so "grumpy", but a certain user keeps making b*llocks posts, with no thinking behind them. I wonder who that could be ;)

All of them are. Well stupid enough to drive tractors and no go out and get a decent job.

Like this one ;)
 

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All of them are. Well stupid enough to drive tractors and no go out and get a decent job.

What a stupid comment. Farmers are mainly ridiculously hard working people who put in long hours for a job they generally love. They only drive tractors when they need to- I'm pretty sure you're only allowed to take a tractor on a public road when strictly necessary

I'd be interested as to how you propose eating if all farmers went and got "decent" jobs!

There seems to be an awful of bigotry and crass stereotyping in this thread.
 

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The Judiciary, especially Magistrates have a long and dishonourable history of minimalising Railway crime in general and in my experience will always tend towards giving the motorist the benefit of the doubt.

Contrast that of course to even a few mph above the limit and see just what a difference in attitude there is.

At the end of the day it is all down to the quality of the evidence put before the Court, and of course in the Mold case, the Jury, who again are probably less than friendly to the Railway.

The Prosecution could of course Appeal against the sentence on the grounds of leniency, but that would take money which they will not want to spend.

It is a shame that the Railway Trade Unions (or some of them at least) appear to be more concerned with other topics such as Nicaragua and Cuba to lobby the at present majority Labour Government about the Judicial approach to the Railway.

Maybe its time for a No. 10 Petition or even a letter to the various Conservative Parliamentary Candidates, about increased penalties for motorists who misuse level crossings.
 

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I'm with Old Timer on this one!
The upshot of all this: the driver was found 'not guilty' of either careless or dangerous driving, and Judge Eleri Rees reportedly told the jury she agreed with their verdicts.
Eleri Rees is clearly not fit to be a judge. She's probably one of those people who thinks the motorist is always right. I judge her to be 'guilty' of being a bad judge :P

Fgw+xc+swtconn's comments are just daft. There's no evidence that all farmers do this behaviour, and the country would be in a mess if all farmers left to get so-called "decent" jobs (does he mean all those hundreds of thousands of non-existant pointless media jobs that Universities and colleges pretend exist?:lol:)
 
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