Leeds to York etc

[badger1badger]

Hi guys

we travelled to York recently and were advised to get a ticket from new pudsey to york we still got on in Leeds ???

Also the ticket office could not issue a return to Harrogate from Leeds ( out on sat - back on sun )

but they sold a duo ticket ?

Why is this

Cheers

Paul

 

[142094]

Who advised you to get a New Pudsey ticket? Was this the guard or someone on the forum? I'd expect that they might have said that as you can get an open return from New Pudsey to York whereas you can only get a day return from Leeds to York.

As for Leeds - Harrogate, you can only get day returns for that journey. A Northern Duo ticket is an offer on certain lines for where there are two people travelling together, one perso gets their ticket half price IIRC.

 

[yorkie]

Off Peak Day & Anytime Day Return tickets from Leeds to York or Harrogate are available.
Off Peak & Anytime Return tickets from Leeds to York or Harrogate are NOT available.

If you want an Off Peak or Anytime Return from Leeds to York, you will have to either purchase 2 x singles or purchase an Off Peak or Anytime Return from an alternative station, anywhere between Hebden Bridge and New Pudsey will do, the price for any station between (and including) those two to York is priced at £15.10 for arrivals into York after 0930 M-F or £18.40 for travel at any time.

This is part of ATOC's "simple" ticketing structure to ensure customers can "buy with confidence" and you know "exactly where you stand". There is an Off Peak fare from New Pudsey but not from Leeds, however if ATOC had their way they would not exist, as they claim there is "no economic justification for [Off Peaks] because they are being offered to customers who are using their income on a leisure journey rather than going to the theatre or buying CDs." (David Mapp, Commercial Director, ATOC, 20 Jan 2006).

 

[Solent&Wessex]

That would be correct. Between Leeds and York both routes there are only day return tickets. Regularly people want to come back the next day so rather than buying a single ticket each day I often advise buying a New Pudsey / Shipley or Dewsbury to York return, as they can get an Off Peak Return which is valid to come back the next day. This saves quite a few pounds. There is no requirement to actually go to these stations, you can start and end your journey at Leeds quite legally.

 

[Dewedin]

What should the threshold be for whether period returns are available, though? For a 25-minute journey, such as Leeds to York, it seems relatively fair that period returns are not available. For a 45-minute journey, such as Edinburgh to Glasgow, it seems relatively unfair (you have to buy from Musselburgh to avoid two singles).

 

[Mike395]

What should the threshold be for whether period returns are available, though? For a 25-minute journey, such as Leeds to York, it seems relatively fair that period returns are not available. For a 45-minute journey, such as Edinburgh to Glasgow, it seems relatively unfair (you have to buy from Musselburgh to avoid two singles).

I'm personally of the opinion that they should be available on all journeys where the quickest journey time is 30mins or more

 

[yorkie]

It doesn't make sense to base it on time, that would mean I could get a SVR for York to Pontefract, but not York to Doncaster (despite the latter being valid via Pontefract!).

The best solution, and one that the railways will have to adopt if they want to have "smart card" ticketing throughout the system, is single leg pricing being half the cost of a return, as it is in London. This would have an added benefit of there being less requirements for excesses.

 

[Railjet]

There is an Off Peak fare from New Pudsey but not from Leeds, however if ATOC had their way they would not exist, as they claim there is "no economic justification for [Off Peaks] because they are being offered to customers who are using their income on a leisure journey rather than going to the theatre or buying CDs." (David Mapp, Commercial Director, ATOC, 20 Jan 2006).

What on earth does that mean? Has the guy got any economic nous whatsoever?

 

[Mike395]

It doesn't make sense to base it on time, that would mean I could get a SVR for York to Pontefract, but not York to Doncaster (despite the latter being valid via Pontefract!).

The best solution, and one that the railways will have to adopt if they want to have "smart card" ticketing throughout the system, is single leg pricing being half the cost of a return, as it is in London. This would have an added benefit of there being less requirements for excesses.

The issue I can see with that is single prices are likely to remain the same, with return prices doubling, rather than bringing singles down to half of current returns (off-peak anyway) - would be nice to be proved wrong though and put trust in our government to regulate to stop that happening

 

[MikeWh]

The issue I can see with that is single prices are likely to remain the same, with return prices doubling, rather than bringing singles down to half of current returns (off-peak anyway) - would be nice to be proved wrong though and put trust in our government to regulate to stop that happening

It didn't happen in London. The Oyster peak single was set at half the old peak return while the Oyster off-peak single was set at half the old off-peak day return. In some cases they were actually slightly cheaper. What did happen in London was that off-peak paper tickets have been withdrawn in favour of encouraging people to use Oyster. You can still buy an off-peak travelcard, but point-to-point paper tickets are anytime only.

 

[island]

And this has led to anomalous fares for railcard holders travelling on National Rail services in the evening peak, when they can get their discount on a paper ticket but not on Oyster. An example is zone 3-6, which is £2.90 on Oyster but £2.20 with a paper ticket. But it counts towards the off-peak price cap, so if you're going to get to £5.30 over the course of the day

THIS POST IS INTERRUPTED BECAUSE ISLAND'S HEAD JUST EXPLODED. SORRY ABOUT THE MESS.