Leeds Loop

[Coxster]

Just got this e-mail from First Class Simulations with a bit of info as to what is included in the pack. Not seen any screenshots of the 321 or 158 though, and do not know what liveries they'll be in.

LEEDS LOOP
REQUIRES EAST COAST EXPRESS PART 2
ADD-ON FOR MICROSOFT TRAIN SIMULATOR

EuropeanBahn brings you part 3 of East Coast Express covering the Leeds Loop. Stations on this route include: Doncaster, Bentley, Adwick, South Elmsall, Fitzwilliam, Sandal & Agbrigg, Wakefield, Westgate, Leeds, Cross Gates, Garforth, East Garforth, Micklefield, Church Fenton, Ulleskelf, York. The direct line from Doncaster to York is also included!

Rolling Stock includes:
Class 43 High Speed Train
Class 91 (Electric, sometimes called a 225)
Class 158 DMU
Class 220 DEMU
Class 321 EMU.

Features include:
Custom made signalling
Custom driving cabs
Custom sounds
12 Activities

Add-on for Microsoft Train Simulator
This add-on requires East Coast Express Part 2.

Format: PC-CD
RRP: £19.99
Street Date: 5th April 2007

 

[DescendingSadly]

£20
bl**dy hell!

I paid about that much for P'boro to York!!!

 

[Tom]

It's called trying to wean as much money out of the industry as possible!

 

[class 313]

£19.99 for Great Eastern Isn't it?

And just look how good that is, and its worth the £20, but EB isn't well known for its detail in its work, and what looks to be a small loop, this shouldn't cost £20

 

[Ben]

£19.99 for Great Eastern Isn't it?

And just look how good that is, and its worth the £20, but EB isn't well known for its detail in its work, and what looks to be a small loop, this shouldn't cost £20

Donny to York via Leeds.... "A small loop"! I think not!

Well worth the £20

 

[Tom]

As worth the £20 for, say, London - Peterborough, Peterborough - York... this is £60 for a route that was built in 1 entire thing.

*calling original creator of route to drop in*

 

[1D53]

Well, finally my local line (Leeds - York via Garforth) gets made.

Wouldnt be too bothered paying £20 for it - but plus you have to get part two as well!

Think I'll give it a miss - unless I can get it cheaper

 

[DescendingSadly]

I can't wait to see what a mess they've made of Leeds approach

 

[DescendingSadly]

Donny to York via Leeds.... "A small loop"! I think not!

Well worth the £20

it is a small loop, just has a high station density

 

[class 313]

it is a small loop, just has a high station density

Thank you.

 

[Max]

Just looked at the screenshots and they look *okay* but nothing amazing. I also notice DescendingSadly that you have a bit of competition :neutral::

EuropeanBahn is very pleased to announce a further 3 products for MSTS in the not too distance future...

...TransPennine Express a standalone product from York in the East, to Manchester in the West.

 

[DescendingSadly]

aye max, it was announced back in January I think and I gave up the route.

 

[Mintona]

You shouldn't have given up

 

[LucaZone]

aye max, it was announced back in January I think and I gave up the route.

Im affraid that shows total lack of dedication. For several years there was a gentlemens agreement that there was enough out there to be made that no duplicate products should be attempted. EB now adopt the rule : "Alls fair in love and war" hehe

AFAICT only the 158 is new rolling stock? All else has already been included in other ECE products? Certainly making their money on repeatedly selling the same trains.

 

[petethetim]

it is a small loop, just has a high station density

What are we talking in actual driving Miles ? & if the RRP is £19:99 play.com & the likes will be talking 14:99 because they did EC Express for 17:99 & it had a RRP of 24.99 as did Irish Enterprise & LSC & these were also offered for £17:99

 

[DescendingSadly]

What are we talking in actual driving Miles ? & if the RRP is £19:99 play.com & the likes will be talking 14:99 because they did EC Express for 17:99 & it had a RRP of 24.99 as did Irish Enterprise & LSC & these were also offered for £17:99

i'm not sure of driving miles but it's similar to York - Doncaster I think.

 

[Coxster]

AFAICT only the 158 is new rolling stock? All else has already been included in other ECE products? Certainly making their money on repeatedly selling the same trains.

Class 321 too I believe.

 

[LucaZone]

Theres a 456 in the LBE addon addon. Arent they almost identical. It may well be a new PH model though.

 

[Tom]

319s and 321s are virtually identical (apart from the slight differences in the front, which I doubt EB will have modified as it's about a five degree difference).

 

[class 313]

319s and 321s are virtually identical (apart from the slight differences in the front, which I doubt EB will have modified as it's about a five degree difference).

Nooooooooooooooooooo


456s look are more like 321s, 319s are like 317s...

321s/319s are different inside and different traction motors...

 

[Tom]

Pretty much same bodyshell if you think about it Tom.

 

[class 313]

Pretty much same bodyshell if you think about it Tom.

Yes, mk3 body shells...

 

[Tom]

I'm talking about off-the-shelf for the front, doors, etc....

 

[leshuttle]

I'd be a lot happier if EB focused on making a really good ECE1&2 before attempting 3. It seems that apart from bare skeleton station architecture and the odd bits here and there; there's very little relation to reality. True the more details means slower performance but I can name many highly realistic routes which find ways round this by compressing scenery/using 2D objects - some even free. The slightest constructive criticism I made towards EB about the route was thrown back as though I’d asked them to recreate the entire Trans-Siberian railway with minute detail!

God knows what WCML will be like :roll:…

 

[VTDan]

I'd be a lot happier if EB focused on making a really good ECE1&2 before attempting 3. It seems that apart from bare skeleton station architecture and the odd bits here and there; there's very little relation to reality. True the more details means slower performance but I can name many highly realistic routes which find ways round this by compressing scenery/using 2D objects - some even free. The slightest constructive criticism I made towards EB about the route was thrown back as though I’d asked them to recreate the entire Trans-Siberian railway with minute detail!

God knows what WCML will be like :roll:…

I completely agree!!!
I tried to give constructive criticism to EB but they weren't having any of it,
i also said about how using different textures to make the voyager in WCML
could improve it, and they said 'We will use what we feel is best' in other words stick to the trash we've been using.

 

[Coxster]

They're now trying to get orders with a special offer: http://europeanbahn.co.uk/eb_leedsoffer.htm Note the advertised price of £19.99 but the "hidden" £3.25 p&p.

 

[LucaZone]

get it off Play.com for £12 with free p&p haha

 

[Darandio]

get it off Play.com for £12 with free p&p haha

Make that £14.99.

http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3320400/-/Product.html?searchstring=leeds+loop&searchsource=0

 

[Coxster]

Images: http://www.contactsales.co.uk/LeedsLoop.htm

 

[The Snap]

No wa would I pay that for this add-on - there are better quality routes on UKTS like Dorset Coast and Scottish Central.

EB need to put a lot more effort into their products, as they rush to release things to keep their income going. MakingTracks spent a while on Great Eastern, and look at that - nearly all of it is photreal.

:roll: