Leaving train early on open month return

[aristotle95]

Hi,
I recently bought an open offpeak month return from Manchester to York. However, I am wanting to get off the train in Huddersfield, which the train goes through, rather than travelling all the way back to Manchester. Is this allowed?

If i was to travel to Manchester some trains already do change in Huddersfield so I didn't think this would be a problem to leave the station?

Any help is greatly appreciated as i've read lots about advance tickets not being allowed to stop early...
Many thanks,

 

[najaB]

Hi,
I recently bought an open offpeak month return from Manchester to York. However, I am wanting to get off the train in Huddersfield, which the train goes through, rather than travelling all the way back to Manchester. Is this allowed?

Yes.

More words to keep the forum software happy.

 

[aristotle95]

Brilliant, thanks! When i also bought the month return ticket it said something about only being valid monday-friday, nothing about the weekend. Is this the case? Seems a bit stupid if it's still offpeak on the weekend!

 

[Bletchleyite]

Brilliant, thanks! When i also bought the month return ticket it said something about only being valid monday-friday, nothing about the weekend. Is this the case? Seems a bit stupid if it's still offpeak on the weekend!

The short-form restriction reads:
Outward: VALID AFTER 0759 MON-FRI
Return: BY ANY TRAIN

but by omission means "also valid by any train at weekends".

Your return half, which you are now using, is valid at any time on any day.

 

[aristotle95]

The short-form restriction reads:
Outward: VALID AFTER 0759 MON-FRI
Return: BY ANY TRAIN

but by omission means "also valid by any train at weekends".

Your return half, which you are now using, is valid at any time on any day.

Thanks again for the quick replies, much appreciated as it's all fairly unclear with lots of regulations and the like. If i was to leave the station at huddersfield, am i right in thinking that the gates will swallow the ticket and i wont be able to use it to finish my journey from huddersfield to manchester on another day?
Sorry for all the questions,

 

[221129]

Thanks again for the quick replies, much appreciated as it's all fairly unclear with lots of regulations and the like. If i was to leave the station at huddersfield, am i right in thinking that the gates will swallow the ticket and i wont be able to use it to finish my journey from huddersfield to manchester on another day?
Sorry for all the questions,

Should spit it back out for you to continue your journey, should you require.

 

[aristotle95]

So if I get my ticket checked by a conductor before huddersfield, and he writes on it, then i get off in huddersfield. How will another conductor know, if i attempt to use the ticket to continue my journey from huddersfield to manchester, that I havn't used this to get all the way to manchester before? As in Piccadilly there are no gates that eat your tickets? I just dont want to get back on the train from huddersfield to manchester and be made to purchase another ticket.

 

[yorkie]

So if I get my ticket checked by a conductor before huddersfield, and he writes on it, then i get off in huddersfield. How will another conductor know, if i attempt to use the ticket to continue my journey from huddersfield to manchester, that I havn't used this to get all the way to manchester before?

They won't know, but you may be asked. Assuming they have no evidence to suggest you are not being truthful, they will have to accept the ticket.

As in Piccadilly there are no gates that eat your tickets? I just dont want to get back on the train from huddersfield to manchester and be made to purchase another ticket.

Put your ticket through the gateline at Huddersfield, and it will record the fact it's been used at Huddersfield on the ticket. In the event of a false accusation (which would be a very serious criminal matter), this evidence will prove your innocence. (I'm not saying you are in any way required to do this, but if you want to set your mind at rest, this is the answer).

 

[Bletchleyite]

If you explain what you have done you will most likely be OK. However if you want to be sure tell the guard checking it that you intend to break your journey, and he may (if TPE do that) mark it differently so the second guard will know.

 

[yorkie]

If you explain what you have done you will most likely be OK. However if you want to be sure tell the guard checking it that you intend to break your journey, and he may (if TPE do that) mark it differently so the second guard will know.

Whenever I've asked, the Guard has not done anything other than mark the ticket in the normal way, so I don't bother any more. Besides, I may not have decided whether or not to break my journey at that point!

 

[JonathanH]

The most helpful mark would be a 3-character location code for where the ticket was seen. The most unhelpful mark is just a date.

 

[yorkie]

The date just means you made at least part of your journey on that day.

 

[aristotle95]

On checking ticket prices I've seen that a single from manchester back to huddersfield anyway with my railcard would be 12.60, whilst an open day return from huddersfield to manchester will be 12.80. So to save the hassle and any allagations it'd be worth me just buying an open return for the sake of 20p! Thanks for all the help anyway. I never usually get a date or letters on mine anyway, just a scribble!

When I return to huddersfield from york this time will it have to be on an offpeak train or is it valid for any train as said higher up? Last question i promise!

 

[Bletchleyite]

The ticket noted above is valid on the return half by any time train on any day.

 

[aristotle95]

Ahh, I thought so! Thanks for confirming though.

 

[yorkie]

On checking ticket prices I've seen that a single from manchester back to huddersfield anyway with my railcard would be 12.60, whilst an open day return from huddersfield to manchester will be 12.80. So to save the hassle and any allagations it'd be worth me just buying an open return for the sake of 20p! Thanks for all the help anyway. I never usually get a date or letters on mine anyway, just a scribble!

Probably best to use the term "open" or "Open" as it has different meanings. It used to be a ticket type (Standard Open Return, SOR) which later became the Anytime Return (which still retains the code SOR), this is always valid on any train and return within 1 month. So if you asked for an Open Return at a booking office, you'd be sold an SOR.

However some ticket booking sites undermined the meaning of the term by using "open" (with a small "o") to mean any ticket that was NOT an Advance ticket, so by that definition a ticket that has time restrictions and is only valid for 1 day is an "open return".

Some people use the term "open return" to mean a ticket that can be restricted by outward journey, but is valid any train on the return within 1 month. By that definition the Off Peak Day Return (CDR) is not an "open" ticket, but the Off Peak Return (SVR) is.

At simplification, they decided to do away with the old "Open Return" ticket type to avoid this confusion, but as people now use the term "open" to mean different things, confusion still reigns.

So, let's just avoid it

When I return to huddersfield from york this time will it have to be on an offpeak train or is it valid for any train as said higher up? Last question i promise!

The return portion of either a HUD-YRK SVR, or a Manchester Stns -YRK SVR would be valid on any train.

Note that York <> Huddersfield is a very overpriced ticket. I have sent you details via PM of a cheaper ticket, which is valid via Huddersfield.