Latest Class 66s

[ac6000cw]

Be careful not to confuse engine emission regulations, which are mostly about limiting the emission of substances harmful to health like CO, NO, diesel particulates etc., and limiting CO2 production for climate change reasons.

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Found this as well in the Rail 751 issue ;

'After all 21 of the Class 66s on order for GB Railfreight are delivered no more of the class can be built to this configuration. The '66' engine has a category 3a emissions standard, which is the current standard for the EU. But after December 31, all new engines must meet category 3b standards. In order to comply, only engines registered in the UK before the cut-off date will be allowed to operate. The same ruling affects the Class 68s on order for Direct Rail Services, meaning that by 2015 only second-hand locomotives from the EU can be acquired, and all new locomotives must comply with the new ruling. "We are currently certifying a couple of Caterpillar engines to 3b for use in Europe" said Billy Ainsworth CEO of the rail division of Caterpillar (of which EMD are a part). He said that "from a size standpoint" it would fit into the bodyshell of a Class 66, but it is more likely that the engine would be made available in a more modern locomotive. "We will have that engine available for the European market" he said. GBRf Managing Director John Smith said that "affordability will be an issue" with any new 3b compliant engines because "they will be more expensive as emission targets increase". However, he is encouraged by EMD's engine development.'

Yes - the next '66' is much more likely to be an EMD equivalent to a '70', Cat powered, AC traction, and quite possibly designed by Vossloh in Spain (they've already designed the next EMD US passenger loco - the F125 - which is also Cat powered).

A stretched (to fit in the extra exhaust filtering), six-axle '68' anyone ?

 

[Y186520]

Railways Illustrated tweeted earlier last 7 66's due Newport Monday 7th moving to Doncaster on Tuesday.

ABP have heavy lift ship "Happy rover" estimated arrival 2000 on the 6th
December arriving from Norfolk VA.

The ship was reported at 0000 this morning at 24 degrees west which fits with that eta.

 

[Juniper Driver]

. Now I need just one class 450 so the station is almost tedious.

Which 450?

 

[Peter Sarf]

Ship docked at Newport and some of 66766-66772 unloaded today (7/12/2014). All due to go to Doncaster on Tuesday 9/12/2014. Thats via Stourbridge, Soho, Walsall, Tamworth asfaik.

 

[trubla]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02381/2014/12/09/advanced

 

[D6975]

Railways Illustrated tweeted earlier last 7 66's due Newport Monday 7th moving to Doncaster on Tuesday.

ABP have heavy lift ship "Happy rover" estimated arrival 2000 on the 6th
December arriving from Norfolk VA.

The ship was reported at 0000 this morning at 24 degrees west which fits with that eta.

They are not the last.
66773-7 at least are going to come as well.
A loophole has been found to get round the emissions cutoff date.
The engine blocks will be brought to the UK and registered before the cutoff date. The engines will then go back across the pond to have a loco built for them, then return to the UK.
You really couldn't make it up could you?
Not exactly environmentally friendly, shipping across the atlantic 3 times.

ps GBRF have found a couple more european 66s going spare too.

 

[Techniquest]

ps GBRF have found a couple more european 66s going spare too.

Knew they'd manage to do that somehow! I swear they could make a 66 appear out of nothing but sand and water if they wanted to!

Oh well, it'll help keep the number collecting going for a while I suppose!

 

[455driver]

They are not the last.
66773-7 at least are going to come as well.
A loophole has been found to get round the emissions cutoff date.
The engine blocks will be brought to the UK and registered before the cutoff date. The engines will then go back across the pond to have a loco built for them, then return to the UK.
You really couldn't make it up could you?
Not exactly environmentally friendly, shipping across the atlantic 3 times.

ps GBRF have found a couple more european 66s going spare too.

Such is the stupidity of these ridiculous emission rules which have bugger all to do with saving the environment (look at a globe and see how insignificant this poxy little Island is in the grand scheme of things) and everything to do with keeping people in well paid jobs which dont really need to exist and making lots of rich people even richer!

Right where are the steps so I can get off this soapbox.

 

[bnsf734]

According to the Railways Illustrated article GBRf are also going to use the engine from 66734 (The one that was cut up after almost going for a swim in a Scottish loch) in a new loco as well.

 

[HSTfan!!!]

According to the Railways Illustrated article GBRf are also going to use the engine from 66734 (The one that was cut up after almost going for a swim in a Scottish loch) in a new loco as well.

That engine is in 709.

 

[sburnley]

Which 450?

Sorry to not see this earlier - it was 450 007 but I have seen it now.

Stuart

 

[455driver]

Sorry to not see this earlier - it was 450 007 but I have seen it now.

Stuart

My last 450 for sight was 103 (by nearly 2 years), guess which one was the first one I drove?
funny old world isnt it!

 

[alexl92]

The emissions regs are ridiculous anyway. If companies can't get new 66s, it means more 37, 47, 56, 58, 60s being reactivated for uk mainline use instead, so emissions are higher.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I can't wait to see the back of the 66s. Hate them!

 

[Chris125]

Such is the stupidity of these ridiculous emission rules which have bugger all to do with saving the environment (look at a globe and see how insignificant this poxy little Island is in the grand scheme of things) and everything to do with keeping people in well paid jobs which dont really need to exist and making lots of rich people even richer!

Can people PLEASE stop confusing cleaner engine emissions with greenhouse gasses?

As ac6000cw said earlier in the thread:

"Be careful not to confuse engine emission regulations, which are mostly about limiting the emission of substances harmful to health like CO, NO, diesel particulates etc., and limiting CO2 production for climate change reasons"

 

[455driver]

Can people PLEASE stop confusing cleaner engine emissions with greenhouse gasses?

As ac6000cw said earlier in the thread:

"Be careful not to confuse engine emission regulations, which are mostly about limiting the emission of substances harmful to health like CO, NO, diesel particulates etc., and limiting CO2 production for climate change reasons"

So carting the Engines halfway around the World so they can be registered over here and then carting them back halfway around the World to the same place they started out from is good for the environment and/or our health is it?
I didnt realise those ship engines were so clean burning! :roll:

Oh and the more modern/ cleaner engines actually produce more greenhouse gases, so although our chidrens children should live longer* they wont because they will die of skin cancer because of the increas in the suns rays getting to the Earths surface.

* they wont because of all the crap being thrown into the atmosphere in America and the China etc which will be brought over here on the trade winds effecting our atmosphere!

 

[Chris125]

So carting the Engines halfway around the World so they can be registered over here and then carting them back halfway around the World to the same place they started out from is good for the environment and/or our health is it?

So long as the long term benefits of improved standards outweigh the effects of short term exploits like this then yes, the utterly insignificant environmental cost of shipping these older engines around is entirely worth it.

Chris