Langley to Elmswell

[mathmo]

I'm intending to do this journey on Friday and back on Saturday, with a break in Cambridge both ways. Is this allowed? I've checked the Routeing Guide and I believe via Cambridge is permitted (Cambridge is a routeing point for Elmswell, and passes the fares check rule) but can someone with NFM access confirm whether break of journey is allowed on this Off-Peak Return? I'd also like to check the restrictions, particularly the outward: is it arriving in London at or after 1000?

 

[323235]

spot on dude, with regards to the morning restrictions.

Here's the full Info taken from the latest version of Avantix Traveller.

Restriction : 7B
Restriction applies Mondays
to Fridays only.

OUTWARD TRAVEL
Morning Peak.
By any train scheduled to
arrive at London Terminals
at or after 1000 (1010 for
arrivals at London Paddington)

By any train scheduled to
depart London Liverpool Street
after 09:30.

Evening Peak.
Not valid on any train
departing London Terminals
between 1629 and 1834
inclusive (1900 for
departures from London Kings
Cross), or between 1640 and
1824 inclusive from London
Paddington, with the
following exceptions (see
notes* below)

RETURN TRAVEL
Morning Peak.
By any train scheduled to
arrive at London Terminals
at or after 1000 (1010 for
arrivals at London Paddington)
By any train scheduled to
depart London Liverpool Street
after 09:30.

Evening Peak.
Not valid on any train
departing London Terminals
between 1629 and 1834
inclusive (1900 for
departures from London Kings
Cross), between 1640 and 1824
inclusive from London
Paddington, with the following
exceptions(see notes* below)

NOTES. (Outward and Return)
* Travel is permitted on the
16.34 from London Liverpool
Street to Braintree for
destinations Hatfield Peverel
to Braintree only.

Break of Journey is Permitted. Standard Off Peak Return Rules Apply.

Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES

BREAK OF JOURNEY

Off-Peak Singles and the
outward portion of Off-Peak
Returns are valid for travel
on the date shown on the
ticket. Where a passenger
wishes to stop overnight or
the journey cannot be
completed within one day,
break of journey for an
overnight stay is allowed.
Where a journey continues into
the next day, travel must
resume before 1200 and any
relevant time restrictions
apply (except where regarded
as an unbroken continuation
of the previous day's travel
where the first connection of
the day may be taken).
No further break of journey
is allowed except for the
purpose of changing trains.
Please note that break of
journey is not permitted on
some journeys, as detailed_in
the ticket restrictions.

Return portions of Off-Peak
Return tickets are valid for
travel until 0230 on the day
following the last day of
validity (i.e. one calendar
month from the outward
journey). If a passenger is
still travelling at 0230, they
may stay on the train to
complete that part of the
journey but no further break
of journey is allowed and all
travel must be completed by
1200.

From what I can see , Cambridge and Stowmarket are both appropriate routing points for the origin station. Ely is not.

Slough and Hayes & Harlington both seem to be appropraite routing points for Langley.

 

[mathmo]

spot on dude, with regards to the morning restrictions.

Here's the full Info taken from the latest version of Avantix Traveller.

Thank you. Sadly the "1010 for arrivals at London Paddington" makes a big difference to me - I wanted to get a train that arrives at 1003! They've clearly slipped that in since NFM03 which I have . Currently to avoid this I'm going to buy an extra ticket to West Drayton for £1.90 and pick up a train there that doesn't call at Langley and arrives at 1016.

From what I can see , Cambridge and Stowmarket are both appropriate routing points for the origin station. Ely is not.

Slough and Hayes & Harlington both seem to be appropraite routing points for Langley.

Yes, this is what I thought, though I hadn't noticed Slough as appropriate (but it is). Does this mean that doubling-back via Slough would be allowed on this ticket? (This would save me £1.90 but would cost me at least 10 minutes whilst being difficult to argue if questioned so I'm not going to bother!)

 

[323235]

Ah right, it's good that you asked that because I didn't pick up on that, due to the fact I don't know the area that well.

With regards to doubling back there is a concession as shown below.

GROUP STATIONS
Some stations are grouped together to improve interchange between trains
by offering customers access to a wider choice of train services and station
facilities. A customer may travel via any station in such a group, including
doubling back, provided that the group is on one of the permitted routes
between their origin and destination stations. This extended availability is for
interchange purposes only and does not apply where the origin or destination
stations are part of a group.

However on this occasion as Langley is in Slough Group, that double back concession wouldn't seem to apply as the place you double back has to be outside the group which the origin station/destination station are part of, therefore doubling back between Slough and Langley would only be permitted if there is an easement in the routing guide.

Having looked in the Easements section of the routing guide I can see no such easements, therefore I would say, that the only permitted routing point for Langley is Hayes & Harlington.