Lancaster to Carlisle Engineering Works

[Darren R]

What is the route by the way? In order not to reverse they have to come off the WCML near Leyland and then via Blackburn - is that right?

They normally still call at Preston before reversing out again and running non-stop to Carlisle. (Once of a time trains diverted via Clitheroe and the S&C made an additional call at Blackburn!)

 

[RichmondCommu]

Indeed they have. Give them a tweet on twitter.
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How boring. I'm not familiar with that route, all I know is that it provides the Leeds service from Carlisle. If you wish to be pedantic about it, then that's your choice.

Well we'd gathered that.

 

[TOCDriver]

Well we'd gathered that.

I'm very happy for you. I look forward to your future worthwhile contributions to rail debate

 

[RichmondCommu]

I'm very happy for you. I look forward to your future worthwhile contributions to rail debate

Awww thanks. In fact there will be another thread in a few minutes time. In the mean time why not add me as a friend as we seem to be getting on so well?

 

[voyagerdude220]

They normally still call at Preston before reversing out again and running non-stop to Carlisle. (Once of a time trains diverted via Clitheroe and the S&C made an additional call at Blackburn!)

Five or six years ago, I seem to remember a Glasgow to Penzance diversion unusually being scheduled to run Carlisle to Wigan North Western none stop via the Settle and Carlisle. I also remember one showing as calling at Darwen, which surely must have been a mistake.. (It was routed via Blackburn and Manchester, but Darwen station is far too small for a pair of Voyagers)

 

[MidnightFlyer]

They normally still call at Preston before reversing out again and running non-stop to Carlisle. (Once of a time trains diverted via Clitheroe and the S&C made an additional call at Blackburn!)

Five or six years ago, I seem to remember a Glasgow to Penzance diversion unusually being scheduled to run Carlisle to Wigan North Western none stop via the Settle and Carlisle. I also remember one showing as calling at Darwen, which surely must have been a mistake.. (It was routed via Blackburn and Manchester, but Darwen station is far too small for a pair of Voyagers)

I can remember Glasgow Central and Plymouth on the departure screens as Blackburn station, about 5-7 years ago (could be longer, maybe almost a decade!). And as for the Darwen call? I remember being told about that too. It was a passenger call!

 

[RichmondCommu]

I can remember Glasgow Central and Plymouth on the departure screens as Blackburn station, about 5-7 years ago (could be longer, maybe almost a decade!). And as for the Darwen call? I remember being told about that too. It was a passenger call!

How odd! Surely it cannot have made sense to stop at Darwen and Blackburn?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

How odd! Surely it cannot have made sense to stop at Darwen and Blackburn?

Could well have been to do with pathing, especially if it would have been a Saturday. Might have been a case of either get to Darwen and wait for 5 mins or hang around for another 15 minutes at Blackburn to await a clear run.

 

[Darren R]

For a time during the WCML upgrade works, there were regular diversions via Darwen, Blackburn, Clitheroe and the S&C. They only operated on Sundays, were mostly double Voyagers and most definitely did not stop for passengers at Darwen. Whilst it operated it was a very intensive service, with two northbound and two southbound per hour - on top of the hourly local service. I don't know what is the source of information about calling at Darwen, but they would all have had to stop at Darwen in at least one direction, awaiting its path through the single track sections either side. It seems highly likely that the WTT had trains calling at Darwen as an unadvertised operational stop, perhaps this is the reason for the confusion.

 

[Clip]

So why mention Leeds? Why not say towards Hellifield?

Maybe because Leeds being the bigger of the two locations, those who do not pore of railway maps obsessivley and know each route and each station on that route will understand the direction of the train that they were talking about therefore understanding it a little bit better.

But do you feel better now for getting that off your chest? Good boy.



Back on topic, you can bet your bottom dollar that if this was a closure on the WCML into Euston at one point they would make sure they would run a diversionary route. I guess Scotland is not afforded the same.

 

[The 39 Steps]

I clearly remember seeing the departure screen at Blackburn and Darwen was an advertised passenger call.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Maybe because Leeds being the bigger of the two locations, those who do not pore of railway maps obsessivley and know each route and each station on that route will understand the direction of the train that they were talking about therefore understanding it a little bit better.

But do you feel better now for getting that off your chest? Good boy.

One of the best things about this wonderful forum is the opportunity that members have to share information with other forum members.

 

[DarloRich]

Back on topic, you can bet your bottom dollar that if this was a closure on the WCML into Euston at one point they would make sure they would run a diversionary route. I guess Scotland is not afforded the same.

Not going to be many diverts when Watford is closed Might go on leave.............

 

[Darren R]

I clearly remember seeing the departure screen at Blackburn and Darwen was an advertised passenger call.

Darwen didn't have departure screens then - we've only just been dragged into the 21st Century! Blackburn's departure screens were very easily fooled until they were replaced just a few months ago. It was only when the new system went in that trains to Colne stopped being advertised as calling at Chaffers! Just because the screens say it doesn't necessarily make it so!

 

[Carlisle]

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How boring. I'm not familiar with that route, all I know is that it provides the Leeds service from Carlisle. If you wish to be pedantic about it, then that's your choice.

I was not being pedantic I was just jocking ,thanks for being so polite

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Darwen didn't have departure screens then - we've only just been dragged into the 21st Century!

The way I read The 39 Steps' post was that at Blackburn Darwen was advertised as a calling point, not that they were displayed on Darwen's boards (which of course didn't exist until about 18 months ago!). I'll admit I never looked very often but I can't ever remember Chaffer's being displayed either.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Not going to be many diverts when Watford is closed Might go on leave.............

Actually that is a good point. Is there a thread or similar on the diverts when Watford closes? . could they go via Claydon freight only and into Marylebone? Diesel hauled of course or is there more logic going into St Pancras? Sorry for being slight OT and a bit dumb. Ages since I travelled in that region of the UK.

 

[Darren R]

The way I read The 39 Steps' post was that at Blackburn Darwen was advertised as a calling point, not that they were displayed on Darwen's boards (which of course didn't exist until about 18 months ago!). I'll admit I never looked very often but I can't ever remember Chaffer's being displayed either.

Yeah, that's probably what The 39 Steps meant actually, re-reading it. But my main point was that the screens at Blackburn displayed operational stops from the WTT until the new ones went up last year - which is probably why Darwen appeared as a call when it wasn't actually a booked passenger stop (which it wasn't - I've checked the timetable from the time!)

Anyway, I'm drifting ever-so-slightly OT!

 

[Mugby]

What work is being carried out & where is it taking place?

No one has answered this question yet - any ideas?

If the work is between Lancaster and Carlisle, why are Sunday morning trains terminating at/departing from Wigan?