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KR Models "Fell"

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I've been asked in another thread to comment on the above. In short, it's dreadful. The body moulding is inaccurate in a number of areas and this has been commented at length on the "RMWeb" forum. The paint finish is very glossy, although this is of course is fairly easily altered with a bit of care and weathering.

It's when you come to the mechanical aspects that it really falls down. By far the worst problem, in my experience, is the pickups. Although it has pickups on all wheels, the pickups are so badly designed and there is so much sidefloat in the wheels that it is extremely difficult to keep the pickups in contact with the wheels - hence the loco moves a few inches then stops. The wheels also have a tendency to slip on the axles and lose their quartering. It's a partucular problem on mine, which is the 4-4-4-4. The 4-4 + 4-4 versions may be a bit better as the two groups of wheels are not connected by coupling rods.

I've also found that there is insufficient downwards spring pressure on the bogies, hence they "float" and derail.

One area, however, that is good is the sound. Mine is DCC sound. It sounds magnificent (when running)! You start the two auxiliary engines - loud .Then start the four traction engines - very loud! Of course this is the only area of the loco not made by KR - it's a Loksound 5...

In short, I was very disappointed. It's a quirky model which I'd love to get running properly. I may manage, but when I can buy a loco from Bachmann or Accurascale (for example) which I can just plonk on a layout and run without problems, why should I have to spend hours getting a KR one to run properly?
 
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I've been asked in another thread to comment on the above. In short, it's dreadful. The body moulding is inaccurate in a number of areas and this has been commented at length on the "RMWeb" forum. The paint finish is very glossy, although this is of course is fairly easily altered with a bit of care and weathering.

It's when you come to the mechanical aspects that it really falls down. By far the worst problem, in my experience, is the pickups. Although it has pickups on all wheels, the pickups are so badly designed and there is so much sidefloat in the wheels that it is extremely difficult to keep the pickups in contact with the wheels - hence the loco moves a few inches then stops. The wheels also have a tendency to slip on the axles and lose their quartering. It's a partucular problem on mine, which is the 4-4-4-4. The 4-4 + 4-4 versions may be a bit better as the two groups of wheels are not connected by coupling rods.

I've also found that there is insufficient downwards spring pressure on the bogies, hence they "float" and derail.

One area, however, that is good is the sound. Mine is DCC sound. It sounds magnificent (when running)! You start the two auxiliary engines - loud .Then start the four traction engines - very loud! Of course this is the only area of the loco not made by KR - it's a Loksound 5...

In short, I was very disappointed. It's a quirky model which I'd love to get running properly. I may manage, but when I can buy a loco from Bachmann or Accurascale (for example) which I can just plonk on a layout and run without problems, why should I have to spend hours getting a KR one to run properly?

Yes I’ve been following what’s been said about the model on Rmweb and it’s been receiving quite a kicking over there. Sounds like it really is a bit of a lemon though?

As an aside, how do they know what it actually sounded like? Surely there’s no recordings around of it?

They could have recorded two Dysons and a Kenwood blender for all I’d know. :lol:
 

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Surely KR can’t keep churning out lemon after lemon and survive financially? Their more recent Bullied Leader is also getting a panning online.
 

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As an aside, how do they know what it actually sounded like? Surely there’s no recordings around of it?
This video, from 12min 40sec,  might be 10100's sound. Alternatively, the film production company dubbed a different noise onto the reel...

Thanks @matchmaker for the review. :)

GT3 seems to be their only model, so far, to "hit the mark".
 

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This video, from 12min 40sec,  might be 10100's sound. Alternatively, the film production company dubbed a different noise onto the reel...

Thanks @matchmaker for the review. :)

GT3 seems to be their only model, so far, to "hit the mark".

That’s an absolutely fascinating film!
 

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Surely KR can’t keep churning out lemon after lemon and survive financially? Their more recent Bullied Leader is also getting a panning online.
Aren't they a Canadian company? Presumably they have a more established reputation on that side of the pond (Trump's tariffs might cause a problem, but that's another topic altogether)... Certainly I'd need to see them produce something that isn't riddled with faults and/or inaccuracies before I consider anything from them. So far none of their releases have been the sort of things I'd consider anyway, but even if they announced a Class 141 unit (which would be perfect for my project) I'd be giving it a wide berth. I know some complain about Heljan who are doing a 155, but they're not quite as poor as KR seem to be. They may not be the best for serviceability but they usually avoid any glaring inaccuracy.
 

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Aren't they a Canadian company? Presumably they have a more established reputation on that side of the pond (Trump's tariffs might cause a problem, but that's another topic altogether)... Certainly I'd need to see them produce something that isn't riddled with faults and/or inaccuracies before I consider anything from them. So far none of their releases have been the sort of things I'd consider anyway, but even if they announced a Class 141 unit (which would be perfect for my project) I'd be giving it a wide berth. I know some complain about Heljan who are doing a 155, but they're not quite as poor as KR seem to be. They may not be the best for serviceability but they usually avoid any glaring inaccuracy.
My Heljan Ethel, 26, 27 and Railbus are all decent models. Heljan probably also have a bit more credit in the bank from their O gauge stuff too. I’ve taken a punt on one of their 153’s, I feel like there is evidence that they are at least on the right trajectory with their models and it can’t be worse than the Hornby 153 which was fine when it came out but doesn’t stand up to modern standards really.
 

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My Heljan Ethel, 26, 27 and Railbus are all decent models. Heljan probably also have a bit more credit in the bank from their O gauge stuff too. I’ve taken a punt on one of their 153’s, I feel like there is evidence that they are at least on the right trajectory with their models and it can’t be worse than the Hornby 153 which was fine when it came out but doesn’t stand up to modern standards really.
My main issue with Heljan is the lack of serviceability, which mostly comes down to poorly written instructions. Their 128 DPU was one one of the first models I bought when I got back into the hobby during lockdown, and for someone unfamiliar with modern models it was a nightmare to chip! As you say they've a bit more credit in the bank compared to KR who have "dropped the ball' with both the Fell and the Bulleid Leader.
 
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