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Knocked back open access operators

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Masboroughlad said:
Just been thinking, what open access plans have been unsuccessfully proposed?
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As in applications submitted but not approved for some reason:

First Harrogate Trains (Kings Cross - Harrogate)
Platinum Trains (Kings Cross - Aberdeen)
Alliance Rail (Various)

Then 2 relatively well developed but not submitted applications:

Glasgow Trains (Glasgow - Liverpool/Nottingham)
Go-Op (Yeovil - Birmingham via Oxford (?))

From here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Open-access_train_operating_companies
 
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Who wanted to buy shares? That was going to reap rewards, I don't think :lol:
 
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Goatboy said:
Privatisation - introducing more competition.

Not.
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Competition:

1) For each passenger franchise.
2) Between freight operators.
3) For signalling projects.
4) For infrastructure maintenance - and there was a lot more of that in the days of Railtrack.
5) For new infrastructure.
6) For new rolling stock.
7) For rolling stock refurbishment.
 
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3141 said:
Competition:

1) For each passenger franchise.
2) Between freight operators.
3) For signalling projects.
4) For infrastructure maintenance - and there was a lot more of that in the days of Railtrack.
5) For new infrastructure.
6) For new rolling stock.
7) For rolling stock refurbishment.
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And to what benefit, I wonder, since costs have gone up, not down?
 
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3141 said:
Competition:

1) For each passenger franchise.
2) Between freight operators.
3) For signalling projects.
4) For infrastructure maintenance - and there was a lot more of that in the days of Railtrack.
5) For new infrastructure.
6) For new rolling stock.
7) For rolling stock refurbishment.
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And yet missing from that is arguably the most important one - the one everyone thought they were getting...

8) For Passengers
 
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We've done the privatisation v nationalisation to death on other threads. I'd ask that we leave this thread for discussing failed attempts to introduce OAOs rather than the wider arguments around the structure of the railway. If you wish to do that then either use one of the existing threads or start a new one in the appropriate sub-forum.
 
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The Planner said:
Far from dead in the water from what my sources tell me, worth keeping an eye on.
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I've been interested in it purely because it's relatively local to me. I do want them to succeed but can't yet quite see it. They seem to publish content-light newsletters from time to time, and do respond to emails, but aside from that are rather quiet.

The light rail projects interest me as well, but they've also fallen quiet recently.
 
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There was an option for an off peak Canterbury to Cannon St service .....not exactly "commercial" in my view.

A geezer (who turned out on investigation to be living in a MK1 at Southall) - appeared at the National TT Conference one year with proposals for a Dover . Exeter - Glasgow via Skipton (37 hauled) car carrier service. It appeared one of his family ran a bakery at Skipton so fresh morning rolls could be supplied "in house" so to speak. Funnily enough it never came to much.

I always quite liked the idea of mine - for a Carmarthen to Kensington Olympia service...purely "an idea" of course.
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Sir_Clagalot said:
IIRC Grand Central's first proposal was for a Transpennine service from Newcastle...
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Well remembered Sir ! :D
 
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ChiefPlanner said:
There was an option for an off peak Canterbury to Cannon St service .....not exactly "commercial" in my view.

A geezer (who turned out on investigation to be living in a MK1 at Southall) - appeared at the National TT Conference one year with proposals for a Dover . Exeter - Glasgow via Skipton (37 hauled) car carrier service. It appeared one of his family ran a bakery at Skipton so fresh morning rolls could be supplied "in house" so to speak. Funnily enough it never came to much.

I always quite liked the idea of mine - for a Carmarthen to Kensington Olympia service...purely "an idea" of course.
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Sir_Clagalot said:
IIRC Grand Central's first proposal was for a Transpennine service from Newcastle...
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Well remembered Sir ! :D
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Personally I'd like to see GC Do some of these would be interesting :)
 
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Can I propose an Open Rail Operator licence to allow me to operate a train from where I currently am to where I want to be on an ad hoc basis? A Bubble should be enough rolling stock.
 
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Was there a GC proposal for Harrogate (as well as the FG one)?

Stretching the thread title perhaps, but GC did recently propose a Brad Int-New Pudsey-Garforth-London service.
 
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