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Keir Starmer and the Labour Party

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Sadly more blatant racism from the Labour party.....

"MP Rupa Huq has been administratively suspended from the Labour Party pending an investigation, after she was accused of making "racist" comments about Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

The MP for Ealing Central and Acton, made the remarks about the chancellor at a Labour conference fringe event on Monday entitled "What's Next for Labour's Agenda on Race?"

The Conservative Party chairman condemned Ms Huq's "vile" comments and urged Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, to remove the whip from her.

In audio posted online by the Guido Fawkes website, Ms Huq says: "Superficially he is a black man"

Some in the Labour party just can't stand the fact that the current cabinet is one of the most ethnically diverse in history, with none of the four great offices of state being held by a white man.

This sort of blatant racism is what could lose the Labour Party votes from wavering Conservative voters (like me) and Sir Kier Starmer needs to get on top of this issue quickly.
 
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Some in the Labour party just can't stand the fact that the current cabinet is one of the most ethnically diverse in history, with none of the four great offices of state being held by a white man.

This sort of blatant racism is what could lose the Labour Party votes from wavering Conservative voters (like me) and Sir Kier Starmer needs to get on top of this issue quickly.

It's also to do with the fact Labour have taken the moral high ground on identity politics in the past. Using it as a weapon to attack some of their natural supporters at times. The problem is when you take this stance, you are going to get shot down badly when it's found within your own ranks.

To answer the other question, I think the anti semitism within the party was enough wasn't it?
 

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The comment reportedly made is not appropriate.

But by administratively suspending Rupa Huq pending an investigation, how are the Labour Party not taking this seriously? Surely they are taking it seriously otherwise they would not have started an investigation?
 

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Yes this was completely stupid, but what other blatant racism has recently been said by someone in Labour (I'm not saying there isn't, but it doesn't immediately come to mind)?
Member for Bermondsey sits as an Independent due to racism.




I must argue, no one took any punitive action when BojO called Muslim women 'letterboxes' and 'bank robbers' as well the 'African picanninies' comment.

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The comment reportedly made is not appropriate.

But by administratively suspending Rupa Huq pending an investigation, how are the Labour Party not taking this seriously? Surely they are taking it seriously otherwise they would not have started an investigation?
Yes, Labour are taking this seriously. I am not sure who said they weren't? If anyone wasn't taking racism seriously it would be the Conservatives.
 
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I must argue, no one took any punitive action when BojO called Muslim women 'letterboxes' and 'bank robbers' as well the 'African picanninies' comment.

When did Boris call Muslim women 'letterboxes' and 'bank robbers'?

As for the pinaninnies comment... you can see it in context here: https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1271473682154733568?lang=en. The context appears to be a very ironically phrased attack on Tony Blair and the then Government for (allegedly) jetting round the World soaking up admirers all over the World while ignoring problems in the UK. Put in that context, it doesn't look so objectionable.

To be fair, you'd probably need to look at Rupa Huq's comments in context too, and I haven't seen any reports that give the context. Having said that, I'm struggling to imagine a context that wouldn't make her remarks outright racist.
 

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When did Boris call Muslim women 'letterboxes' and 'bank robbers'?

As for the pinaninnies comment... you can see it in context here: https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1271473682154733568?lang=en. The context appears to be a very ironically phrased attack on Tony Blair and the then Government for (allegedly) jetting round the World soaking up admirers all over the World while ignoring problems in the UK. Put in that context, it doesn't look so objectionable.

To be fair, you'd probably need to look at Rupa Huq's comments in context too, and I haven't seen any reports that give the context. Having said that, I'm struggling to imagine a context that wouldn't make her remarks outright racist.
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Yes, Labour are taking this seriously. I am not sure who said they weren't? If anyone wasn't taking racism seriously it would be the Conservatives.

I apologise. I thought a previous comment had said they needed to take it seriously. I cannot see that comment so must have been mistaken.
 

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The statements 'X looks like Y' and 'X is a Y' are not the same thing.
Sorry this act of racism that Bojo committed can not be excused at all?
Just because I messed up slightly doesn't mean Boris isn't racist at all?

Neither can Rupa Huq's

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I apologise. I thought a previous comment had said they needed to take it seriously. I cannot see that comment so must have been mistaken.
Nothing to apologise for really.
 

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the current cabinet is one of the most ethnically diverse in history, with none of the four great offices of state being held by a white man.

This sort of blatant racism is what could lose the Labour Party votes from wavering Conservative voters (like me) and Sir Kier Starmer needs to get on top of this issue quickly.
I don't believe that argument holds water at all. The greatest office of state is held by a white, some might say 'pale', middle class woman, just as the previous occupant-but-one of 10 Downing Street was, so it's no longer a novelty that females, who represent more than half of our population, achieve the highest position. The alternative choice for the Tory membership was a former Chancellor, a brown-skinned man who came from fairly modest beginnings, who achieved a considerable majority among MPs but was 'talked down' from the beginning by the outgoing PM, despite it being obvious that Sunak was far better suited to tackling the job. How did Johnson and his motley crew manage to convince the blue-rinse brigade and their revolting male counterparts to reject Sunak, because that was the issue all along. Anyone but Sunak (and Javid) were the orders, and they fell on receptive ears. Forget the billionaire family bit, that was always a smokescreen for Tory opposition to him. The 'continuity candidate' was never going to be someone from Sunak's background.

As for the other 'great offices of state', I would argue that two of them have been so devalued by the various occupants of the positions to render that description obsolete. Only the Chancellorship continues to deserve the soubriquet, and that may soon be a thing of the past too.

The fact is that Truss was always going to appoint the Old Etonian Kwarteng as 'her' Chancellor. They have a history together, politically speaking, and Rees-Mogg's blatant toadying made sure the Etonians continued their place at the top table, as they consider their wont. It was this sort of thing I believe that Ms Huq was trying to highlight, but such matters are always likely to cause furore these days, with allegations of racism, no matter the motivation of the speaker; it is almost impossible to make the argument now, it's one of George Orwell's 'unthoughts.'
 

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I don't believe that argument holds water at all. The greatest office of state is held by a white, some might say 'pale', middle class woman, just as the previous occupant-but-one of 10 Downing Street was, so it's no longer a novelty that females, who represent more than half of our population, achieve the highest position. The alternative choice for the Tory membership was a former Chancellor, a brown-skinned man who came from fairly modest beginnings, who achieved a considerable majority among MPs but was 'talked down' from the beginning by the outgoing PM, despite it being obvious that Sunak was far better suited to tackling the job. How did Johnson and his motley crew manage to convince the blue-rinse brigade and their revolting male counterparts to reject Sunak, because that was the issue all along. Anyone but Sunak (and Javid) were the orders, and they fell on receptive ears. Forget the billionaire family bit, that was always a smokescreen for Tory opposition to him. The 'continuity candidate' was never going to be someone from Sunak's background.

As for the other 'great offices of state', I would argue that two of them have been so devalued by the various occupants of the positions to render that description obsolete. Only the Chancellorship continues to deserve the soubriquet, and that may soon be a thing of the past too.

The fact is that Truss was always going to appoint the Old Etonian Kwarteng as 'her' Chancellor. They have a history together, politically speaking, and Rees-Mogg's blatant toadying made sure the Etonians continued their place at the top table, as they consider their wont. It was this sort of thing I believe that Ms Huq was trying to highlight, but such matters are always likely to cause furore these days, with allegations of racism, no matter the motivation of the speaker; it is almost impossible to make the argument now, it's one of George Orwell's 'unthoughts.'
This may be an unpopular opinion but I have since thought, she only put no white males in the 4 great offices to make conservatives look more modern and less Middle aged white men which has plagued it for a long time. I am not saying they aren't suited to their jobs because of race/gender or whatever other aspects. I am just saying it seems to be more of an image thing. Kwarteng doesn't seem to be a good chancellor and Braverman, I haven't really heard anything.
 

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I'm surprised no-one here has commented on Labour announcing that rail renationalisation is their policy again - have I missed a thread somewhere?
 

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I'm surprised no-one here has commented on Labour announcing that rail renationalisation is their policy again - have I missed a thread somewhere?
No doubt they will do another U-turn if they get into power, similar to the promises made before the 1997 election.

They will probably "form a committee to look into it" and that committee will never be heard from again.
 

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Some in the Labour party just can't stand the fact that the current cabinet is one of the most ethnically diverse in history, with none of the four great offices of state being held by a white man.

This sort of blatant racism is what could lose the Labour Party votes from wavering Conservative voters (like me) and Sir Kier Starmer needs to get on top of this issue quickly.
Competence is more important. Truss and her cabinet are utterly useless. As shown by the IMF's statement on their budget today. In fact, the Tories as a party are pretty dead and buried.
 

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Update: It looks like Rupa Huq has now apologised for her remarks. To my mind, that means, the matter is closed.

She only apologised after the suspension; she had doubled down on her remarks earlier.

Last year she described the commons as "hideously white" yet got no reproachment from the party - had it been any other "colour" she would have done. Double standards from Labour, I would say.

I hope she isn't allowed any kind of leeway for this half baked apology.
 

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This is quite telling, YouGov are now saying more think Labour will win the next election than Conservatives will; even when Labour were showing poll leads from Partygate fallout onwards, this particular opinion poll still thought the Conservatives were more likely than Labour to win, not anymore:


Nine months after taking the lead in our voting intention polls, Labour have overtaken the Tories in terms of who Britons *think* will win the next election Labour will win: 47% (+10 from mid-Sep) Con will win: 26% (-9)

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I'm surprised no-one here has commented on Labour announcing that rail renationalisation is their policy again - have I missed a thread somewhere?
Apart from yourself, nobody has commented on any of the things that were announced at the conference. I haven't been following much of it, but one thing that did make me chuckle slightly was Starmer ruling out any sort of agreement with the SNP on anything, ever. I wouldn't expect him to go out of his way to suggest a possible deal with other opposition parties, but to categorically rule it out now is only going to make Labour look a bit silly if they do end up relying on a confidence and supply agreement at a later date. It will be used as a stick to beat them with further down the line.
 

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Apart from yourself, nobody has commented on any of the things that were announced at the conference. I haven't been following much of it, but one thing that did make me chuckle slightly was Starmer ruling out any sort of agreement with the SNP on anything, ever. I wouldn't expect him to go out of his way to suggest a possible deal with other opposition parties, but to categorically rule it out now is only going to make Labour look a bit silly if they do end up relying on a confidence and supply agreement at a later date. It will be used as a stick to beat them with further down the line.
Not really. Why? The SNP faced with a minority Labour government either vote with Labour or vote with the Tories. Now I wonder how the latter would look back home...
 

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Apart from yourself, nobody has commented on any of the things that were announced at the conference. I haven't been following much of it, but one thing that did make me chuckle slightly was Starmer ruling out any sort of agreement with the SNP on anything, ever. I wouldn't expect him to go out of his way to suggest a possible deal with other opposition parties, but to categorically rule it out now is only going to make Labour look a bit silly if they do end up relying on a confidence and supply agreement at a later date. It will be used as a stick to beat them with further down the line.
I imagine it's nicer to be beaten with a stick from behind the doors of Number 10.
 

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Are you defending this?

No, and Boris should not have said what he did, but regarding the post box and bank robber comments it is perhaps worth noting that unlike some EU nations, neither he, nor the Tories have ever proposed banning the female coverings he referred to.

so it's no longer a novelty that females, who represent more than half of our population, achieve the highest position.

For Labour it is!
 

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Sam Tarry has been deselected in his Ilford South constituency, meaning at the next election he'll stand down by default. Given he was backed by Momentum combined with his more left-wing stance, this is a further sign that the party as a whole is moving on from the Corbyn and Momentum years:


Former shadow minister Sam Tarry has lost a battle to keep hold of his London seat in the first deselection of a Labour MP for more than a decade.
The vote by party members means Mr Tarry, an ex-trade union official, will not stand as Ilford South's Labour candidate at the next general election.
He was beaten by Redbridge Council leader Jas Athwal, who won 499 votes to Mr Tarry's 361.
Mr Athwal said it was a "real honour" to be selected.
"Ilford is my home, it is where I live, went to school and where my children all went to school. It is the only place I would ever want to represent," he said.
"Today means Ilford can focus on the future and ensure that Westminister delivers for Ilford, that Ilford gets the investment it needs and deserves."

Mr Tarry had been backed by the left-wing Momentum campaign group.
Meanwhile, Mr Athwal had the support of shadow health secretary Wes Streeting, who represents the neighbouring Ilford North seat.
Welcoming the result, Mr Streeting said: "Jas will be a superb representative for Ilford South. His is an Ilford story - the boy who came from the Punjab and built an education, successful businesses, and a wonderful family here.
"He's led Redbridge Labour to three unprecedented victories because he's a local resident who fights as hard for our community as he would for his own family."

Mr Tarry was sacked as shadow transport secretary by Sir Keir Starmer in July, after joining striking rail workers on a picket line.
The Labour leader said he lost his role for doing unauthorised interviews and "making up policy on the hoof".
The vote by party members was triggered after every local branch in Mr Tarry's constituency voted for him to go through a re-selection process.
Mr Tarry had beat Mr Athwal to contest the seat in controversial circumstances in 2019.
Just before the 2019 selection, Mr Athwal was suspended over an allegation of sexual harassment, which ruled him out of the race.
He had always denied the allegation and was later cleared. Mr Athwal claimed the complaint was "malicious" and politically motivated.
Mr Tarry has represented Ilford South since the December 2019 election. He replaced Mike Gapes, who held the seat since 1992 but resigned from Labour alongside six other MPs that February.
 

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Sam Tarry has been deselected in his Ilford South constituency, meaning at the next election he'll stand down by default. Given he was backed by Momentum combined with his more left-wing stance, this is a further sign that the party as a whole is moving on from the Corbyn and Momentum years:


What screaming headline will the M**l come up with, considering that he is, so it seems, in a relationship with Angela Rayner?
 

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What screaming headline will the M**l come up with, considering that he is, so it seems, in a relationship with Angela Rayner?
He was her campaign manager for the Deputy Leader job, so her public reaction will be interesting. Starmer/Rayner relationship might become more strained than Corbyn/Watson, even Wilson/Brown if that is possible!
 

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I'm sure Rayner will react like any politician and see this is good for her chances of being deputy PM! Sam who?
 

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Sam Tarry has been deselected in his Ilford South constituency, meaning at the next election he'll stand down by default. Given he was backed by Momentum combined with his more left-wing stance, this is a further sign that the party as a whole is moving on from the Corbyn and Momentum years:

If Labour wants the votes of white, old, middle class, relatively well off people (like me) then this is the sort of news that's reinforcing my plan to vote for them in the next election. If Labour thinks it can do without this kind of support, then I think that's what Momentum thinks but is doomed to failure. Better to compromise and be in power than not be in power at all.
 

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If Labour wants the votes of white, old, middle class, relatively well off people (like me) then this is the sort of news that's reinforcing my plan to vote for them in the next election. If Labour thinks it can do without this kind of support, then I think that's what Momentum thinks but is doomed to failure. Better to compromise and be in power than not be in power at all.
It's the sort of thing that proportional representation helps with. Labour would probably split into a centre-left and a further-left party and people could choose between the two rather than having the choice of whatever person Labour puts up as a candidate or a Tory. The centre-left party might go into coalition with the further-left or with a more centrist party.
 

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It's the sort of thing that proportional representation helps with. Labour would probably split into a centre-left and a further-left party and people could choose between the two rather than having the choice of whatever person Labour puts up as a candidate or a Tory. The centre-left party might go into coalition with the further-left or with a more centrist party.
Erm, how long did the Social Democrats survive as a centre-left alternative to Labour before merging with the Liberals? More recently, and with an even shorter timescale before becoming nothing more than a sidenote in history: Chuka Umanna and Change UK.

Given multiple flavours of left-of-centre, voters tend to stick with what they know.
 
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Erm, how long did the Social Democrats survive as a centre-left alternative to Labout before merging with the Liberals? More recently, and with an even shorter timescale before becoming nothing more than a sidenote in history: Chuka Umanna and Change UK.

Given multiple flavours of left-of-centre, voters tend to stick with what they know.

Which is why the Tories are more likely to win. The right vote goes to the Tories, bar tiny minority parties. The left vote is split between Labour, LD and Green, plus again a few tiny minorities.
 
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