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Jailed for 8 years for chasing thieves?

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This seems very messed up to me...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/7626302.stm

Even if the person doing the chasing was driving extremely dangerously, (which it doesn't say he was or wasn't), then why isn't everyone who drives that dangerously jailed for 8 years? most are let off with virtually no concequence!! the maximum penalty is 2 years I believe.

But, even then, how can he be "jointly" responsible? Surely the driver who crashed (and stole in the first place!) is entirely responsible!

This country seems desperate to fight for the rights of criminals above all else. And if anyone dares stand up to the criminals they are frowned upon.

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BTW, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all dangerous drivers jailed for 8 years - it'd make the roads a lot safer for the rest of us! - but this isn't about jailing dangerous drivers at all, this is about making someone responsible for the actions of a criminal who chose to drive off recklessly and crashed due to his own wreckless actions. The driver of the car that crashed should be jailed for a lot longer IMO.
 
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It does indeed seem to be a bit of an overdrawn conclusion that the chasing driver caused death. In the circumstances I'd probably press for a driving ban as the maximum penalty for the chasing driver. There were mitigating circumstances but all he needed to do was grab the number plate and report it on.

I dare say not even the police would chase a driver for a petty offence and generally even a stolen car would only be stopped aggressively if the conditions were right.
 
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yorkie said:
This seems very messed up to me...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/7626302.stm

Even if the person doing the chasing was driving extremely dangerously, (which it doesn't say he was or wasn't), then why isn't everyone who drives that dangerously jailed for 8 years? most are let off with virtually no concequence!! the maximum penalty is 2 years I believe.

But, even then, how can he be "jointly" responsible? Surely the driver who crashed (and stole in the first place!) is entirely responsible!

This country seems desperate to fight for the rights of criminals above all else. And if anyone dares stand up to the criminals they are frowned upon.

:-?:-?:-?:-?

BTW, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all dangerous drivers jailed for 8 years - it'd make the roads a lot safer for the rest of us! - but this isn't about jailing dangerous drivers at all, this is about making someone responsible for the actions of a criminal who chose to drive off recklessly and crashed due to his own wreckless actions. The driver of the car that crashed should be jailed for a lot longer IMO.
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Well the shouldn't be chasing cars then...
 
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yorkie said:
Surely the driver who crashed (and stole in the first place!)
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Where does it say that the car was stolen?

I think there's a bit more to this story that what is written here. All the takeaway places I've been to you have to pay before they do anything with your order (so if you do leg it without paying they don't loose anything). So either this place was different, or something else happened.
 
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Sorry - I didn't mean stole the car, I just meant he had stolen something (the food).

Yes, there may be more to the story.
 
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When you collect food having ordered it over the phone you often don't pay until you actually have the food bagged up and ready to go. I believe the laws have just been tightened on 'death by dangerous driving' offences, meaning that you can now get a jail term. From the information given, 8 years seems extreme, but then again, the story is brief and probably doesn't tell the whole story.
 
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Christopher Kibble, 18, from Essex, was driving a car carrying three boys and all had fled without paying for a takeaway, Chelmsford Crown Court heard.

Sakir Olgun, 27, from the takeaway, was following the car when it crashed, near Halstead, killing Richard Warren, Christopher Jolley and Danny Archer.
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Also the survivor of the crash who stole the takeway is in prison for 8years.
 
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I don't understand the BBC article. Does it suggest that the chaser killed them or did he just observe it ?
 
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Aren't you supposed to restrain from being Vigilante's as well??

And aside from the fact, he caused three deaths. If he hadn't been chasing them, there is probably quite a high chance they may still be alive.

The driver of the care however, could have slowed down, he didn't have to drive off, and his careless driving caused all three of his passengers to die.

It's like, manslaughter isn't it really. He caused their deaths, without meaning to...
 
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