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Is there a new steepest gradient?

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The new London overground extension to Barking Riverside has a flyover at the junction from ripple lane sidings area. It looks incredible steep at places and probably only suitable for distributed traction, is this now the steepest incline on our railway?
 
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Although on a heritage line - but with a direct connection to the national network - I believe that the gradient from Bury Bolton Street (East Lancashire Railway) up to the bridge over the Metrolink tram route is something in the region of 1 in 25. Open to correction if I'm wrong though.
 

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Although on a heritage line - but with a direct connection to the national network - I believe that the gradient from Bury Bolton Street (East Lancashire Railway) up to the bridge over the Metrolink tram route is something in the region of 1 in 25. Open to correction if I'm wrong though.

It's steep, but extremely short so trains don't have to exert themselves for too long.
 

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AFAIK, the Thameslink core has a 1 in 29 section, and the Elizabeth line has some similarly steep sections.

Long gone (was part of BR when closed in 1967), but the Cromford and High Peak railway in Derbyshire had a short, steam loco operated adhesion-worked 1 in 14 incline - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopton_Incline
 
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It is not even the steepest gradient on the LTSR.

The LTSR built the Whitechapel and Bow Railway jointly with the district line and the eastbound gradient from Bow Road to Bromley is 1:28 which was originally worked by steam.

It’s now part of the District/Hammersmith.
 

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Although on a heritage line - but with a direct connection to the national network - I believe that the gradient from Bury Bolton Street (East Lancashire Railway) up to the bridge over the Metrolink tram route is something in the region of 1 in 25. Open to correction if I'm wrong though.

According the the diesel group at Bury its 1:36 on one side and 1:41 on the other.

Link below to a pdf gradient profile for the East Lancs Railway

 

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What are the gradients like on the DLR? Especially around the Poplar area as some of these look a bit steep.
 

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What are the gradients like on the DLR? Especially around the Poplar area as some of these look a bit steep.
Steepest gradient on DLR I'm aware of is 1 in 17 on the Bank extension

However, South Yorkshire Supertram beats this by a considerable margin with a section of 1 in 10
 

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Northbound East London / Windrush Line Flyover approach at New Cross Gate is pretty steep. A crude measurement on Google Maps puts it at about 1 in 30 (3.33%)
 

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The gradient between Blackfriars and City Thameslink is documented as 1 in 30, that is an average, in places it will be steeper, OTM such as Tramms and Tampers need a signed derogation from their safety case to travel in either direction on the gradient, the ascent of the gradient has defeated a Tramm in the past
 
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AFAIK, the Thameslink core has a 1 in 29 section, and the Elizabeth line has some similarly steep sections.

Long gone (was part of BR when closed in 1967), but the Cromford and High Peak railway in Derbyshire had a short, steam loco operated adhesion-worked 1 in 14 incline - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopton_Incline
Yes - I recall being taken by my father as a small boy to see its last days in 1967. A brakevan special of five vans fully loaded with enthusiasts, behind two 0-6-0Ts, was unable to make it all the way up - no slipping, it just ground to a halt! BTW, the line also had BR's sharpest curve on a 'main' line - Gotham curve. See my video (converted from silent cine film) from YouTube:
 

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The steepest parts are 1 in 27; one plan shows a short part at 1 in 26.

I recall from the 1950s - 60s that the Werneth Incline (1 in 27) was regarded as the steepest incline carrying a B.R. passenger service; perhaps the claim should have been defined by 'with loco. haulage'.
 

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The gradient between Blackfriars and City Thameslink is documented as 1 in 30, that is an average, in places it will be steeper, OTM such as Tramms and Tampers need a signed derogation from their safety case to travel in either direction on the gradient, the ascent of the gradient has defeated a Tramm in the past
Surprising, and poor, that a vehicle/train designed (presumably) to go anywhere on the network can't do so reliably. It's not like a loco being asked to take an overweight train - it's self-contained.
 

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*without* entering into a debate if the Elizabeth Line counts as main line or a tube / metro, it has a 1:27.

1:27 is from Pudding Mill Lane portal west to around about Eleanor Street.

1:28 either side of Woolwich station.

1:30 is the maximum at other places (Royal Oak portal, Victoria Dock portal, North Woolwich portal, possibly other).

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Thameslink core has two 1:29 sections not one.

Between CTK and BFR as already posted, and west of ZFD where the Thameslink tracks dive under the Met.City.

I beleive the CTK/BFR 1:29 came into being when the BFR / CTK section 1990 rebuild and realignment, and was 1:30 before rebuild which, despite the years since, may account for 1:30 still appearing in places even now. (1:30 might be an average, but that depends on how far either side you measure from.)

The ZFD 1:29 has always been that, but no-one ever seems to mention the actual gradient despite many references to the one time kettle freight banking operation through there.

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For reference, here are the LU gradients greater than 1:30

BUT be aware some of these are very short - indeed more than a couple of them are only approximately the same length as the type of train working that line. But nonetheless important, a train still has to be considered to power or brake or be held stationary at such a location.

Also all of these are deep tubes ,except the Earls Court > West Ken. route in that direction only.

Northern | NB | 1:19 | Kennington | route via Bank
Northern | SB | 1:24 | Borough
Central | EB | 1:25 | Oxford Circus
Central | WB | 1:25 | Holborn | to TCR in section
Central | WB | 1:25 | Notting Hill Gate
Northern | NB | 1:25 | Oval
Central | EB | 1:26 | Marble Arch
Central | WB | 1:26 | Bank
Central | EB | 1:27 | Bond Street
Central | WB | 1:27 | Bond Street
Central | WB | 1:27 | Queensway
Central | EB | 1:28 | White City to Shepherds Bush | in section
Central | EB | 1:28 | Chancery Lane
Central | WB | 1:28 | St Pauls
Central | WB | 1:28 | Tottenham Court Road
Central | WB | 1:28 | Oxford Circus
Northern | NB | 1:28 | Tooting Broadway
Northern | NB | 1:28 | Clapham North
Northern | SB | 1:28 | Tooting Bec
District | WB | 1:28 | Earls Court | towards West Kensington
Central | WB | 1:29 | Lancaster Gate
Central | WB | 1:29 | Holland Park
Northern | NB | 1:29 | Angel to Kings Cross | in section
Northern | NB | 1:29 | Balham
Northern | NB | 1:29 | Clapham South
Northern | SB | 1:29 | Old Street
Northern | SB | 1:29 | Bank
Northern | SB | 1:29 | Balham

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The LTSR built the Whitechapel and Bow Railway jointly with the district line and the eastbound gradient from Bow Road to Bromley is 1:28 which was originally worked by steam.

It’s now part of the District/Hammersmith.
1:38.

At least today.

I have seen it stated before as 1:28, and when I looked into it, Bow Road / Bromley is, today, 1:38/1:39/1:40 both roads, for about 300 m only. That is on current data.

I have no idea if something has been rebuilt to have changed things.

Suggest if not rebuild then there has been a typo in older sources; there would have to be both multiple different typos and multiple drawing errors for the data source I used to be not right.
 
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I recall from the 1950s - 60s that the Werneth Incline (1 in 27) was regarded as the steepest incline carrying a B.R. passenger service; perhaps the claim should have been defined by 'with loco. haulage'.
The Mersey Railway, when originally opened in 1886, used Steam Locomotives :)

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/artifact/mersey-railway-locomotive-no5-cecil-raikes
(Link is for a National Museums Liverpool article about one of their preserved Mersey Railway Locomotives)
 
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