ChristopherJ
Repeatedly returning banned member
Since COVID has decimated passenger usage and TOC revenue income has fallen off a cliff, is the railway about to embark on a massive cost cutting exercise?
Discuss.
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Good answer.Yes, and so I think it should.
Covid should be showing up the folly of the inefficiencies caused by 25 franchised train operating companies competing against each other when the real competition is from other modes of transport.
Unfortunately, government dogma means that it will be determined to maintain what it calls ‘competition’, so there will be little change to the franchising system. It is possible that a few franchises may be combined, but not much more. The savings will come by staff cuts, cuts in investment and a reduction in facilities/closures.Yes, and so I think it should.
Covid should be showing up the folly of the inefficiencies caused by 25 franchised train operating companies competing against each other when the real competition is from other modes of transport.
That analysis does happen, a lot. Attribution still needs to happen regardless and the arguments of what/who is at fault will never go away.Let’s start with delay attribution. Ditch the money go round culture of blame and penalties and instead start analysing what is causing the delay and how to prevent it, rather than who is financially liable.
Precisely; which is why British Rail ‘invented’ TRUST Delay Attribution in the first place!That analysis does happen, a lot. Attribution still needs to happen regardless and the arguments of what/who is at fault will never go away.
Let’s start with delay attribution. Ditch the money go round culture of blame and penalties and instead start analysing what is causing the delay and how to prevent it, rather than who is financially liable.
It's all well and good trotting out the old line of money-go-round, but how do you incentivise improved performance if there's nothing financial attached to it? 25 years after privatisation and no-one has come up with anything better.That analysis does happen, a lot. Attribution still needs to happen regardless and the arguments of what/who is at fault will never go away.
Conversely, there could be investment in the railway to stimulate the economy.
There's a massive misconception with EV's as being some sort of panacea. Reality is that they're still very expensive, still push the world into road building, still pollute albeit quite a bit less so than internal combustion engine (brake dust, tyres, electricity production etc). What we need is a proper integrated transport plan that includes all modes of transport, even cycling and walking.If electric cars really do take off as anticipated, and passenger numbers are slower to recover, the railway could easily find itself in a politically uncomfortable position.
The Promotion, Transfer, Redundancy & Resettlement (PTR&R) Agreement refers.Regarding staff cuts, do people think compulsory redundancy is likely to be on the cards, or are voluntary redundancy schemes (as has happened before fairly recently) more likely?
As far as I am aware, their is no compulsory redundancy on the Railway at the moment. The problem with voluntary redundancy it will be rather costly as a lot of staff have got long length's of service and often have large amounts of leave accrued. But I do think there will be closure of a number of ticket offices unless the station has large amount of footfall. I also reckon TfGM will have a more active role in the railway especially as you are based in Manchester.
Yes, regardless of the progress made with TVMs; online and mobile tickets, the ticket office still serves a very useful purpose at the busier stations. Speaking from experience, a fair number of passengers get stuck when trying to use the TVM and have trouble accessing or understanding their mobile ticket. I think journey planning is another area where the office comes into its own. And when it comes to disruption it can be like a call centre of questions and enquiries at the booking office. Not particularly pleasant to work through at the time, but healthy in terms of job security!
The bigger issue is surely those working from home. I’d have thought that a smart motorway may just deter travellers in full.The roll out of yet more ‘smart’ motorways like the proposed Warrington - Wigan section on the M6 may well lead to more people travelling by train, I for one won’t drive on a so called, ‘smart’ motorway!
Just out of interest, do people thing that an automated driver system‘s costs would pay back much faster than a driver’s wages? I feel like, on shuttle lines, the guard (or train captain) can start the train then check tickets before getting to its destination. So you have full revenue protection, but one less staff member on board.
Almost certainly this will be the only substantial form government funding forthcoming for a long time. Disabled access improvement will also continue, as that is a legal obligation (and it increases the amount of potential passengers).investment in the railway [...] leading to substantial reductions in operating costs in the long run
I think the scope for deployment would be relatively limited, needing self-contained lines and dedicated rolling stock. It might be feasible if you could take manual control for trips to the depot. I think most of the lines where it would be possible are either interworked enough to make it too expensive, or better off as part of light rail lines. The trend has been for through services to a major hub for greater connectivity, so these kind of branch-line shuttles are relatively rare (at least as a sole method of operation).Just out of interest, do people thing that an automated driver system‘s costs would pay back much faster than a driver’s wages? I feel like, on shuttle lines, the guard (or train captain) can start the train then check tickets before getting to its destination. So you have full revenue protection, but one less staff member on board.
I’m thinking Stourbridge as a pilot, then potential rollout to the GWR all year segregated routes, like the St Ives, Falmouth, Windsor, Henley and Marlow branches. Manually controlled depot trips would certainly be possible.Almost certainly this will be the only substantial form government funding forthcoming for a long time. Disabled access improvement will also continue, as that is a legal obligation (and it increases the amount of potential passengers).
I think the scope for deployment would be relatively limited, needing self-contained lines and dedicated rolling stock. It might be feasible if you could take manual control for trips to the depot. I think most of the lines where it would be possible are either interworked enough to make it too expensive, or better off as part of light rail lines. The trend has been for through services to a major hub for greater connectivity, so these kind of branch-line shuttles are relatively rare (at least as a sole method of operation).
The roll out of yet more ‘smart’ motorways like the proposed Warrington - Wigan section on the M6 may well lead to more people travelling by train, I for one won’t drive on a so called, ‘smart’ motorway!
Won't even make a dent, what is different about driving on a 70mph dual carriageway than a 70mph smart motorway? the risks are still there if you have an issue on the inside lane.The roll out of yet more ‘smart’ motorways like the proposed Warrington - Wigan section on the M6 may well lead to more people travelling by train, I for one won’t drive on a so called, ‘smart’ motorway!
I think, at this time, these lines are too small a pool of units and dispersed over too wide an area to give sufficient savings to justify the investment. To me, a better option would be the Very Light Rail railcar concept under DOO with revenue security conducted at the stations by automatic barriers.I’m thinking Stourbridge as a pilot, then potential rollout to the GWR all year segregated routes, like the St Ives, Falmouth, Windsor, Henley and Marlow branches. Manually controlled depot trips would certainly be possible.
I'm not sure how many DMUs can be configured to run on only 1 engine dynamically. I believe the 185s can utilise all the engines when they need to, I'd guess most DMUs either have the engine off or on for the duration of the trip. Not that it would make much difference in terms of cost - the amount of diesel you'd save would be negligible. Staff costs are the highest operating cost. If you need to cut costs they will, inevitably, have to be reduced. It's possible to reduce the bill through means other than compulsory redundancies such as not replacing natural turnover and salary cuts but the diesel bill barely even registers against the staff bill. Not to mention some TOCs (& NR) don't have a substantial diesel fleet (GTR & SE in particular)How about running DMUs with one less engine, like the 185s do? Would save a lot in fuel costs? I don't believe it would impact the performance of modern DMUs at least; I've been on 175s with an engine out and the train kept to time.
This sort of thing should be considered before compulsory redundancies are considered.