Is It Time To Lock People On Trains?

[muz379]

Quite simply no people should not be locked on trains with no emergency egress . Train crew can and do get incapacitated in incidents .
I do think that traction that remains with pascoms that immediately dumps the brakes should be modified because passengers should not have the ability to be able to stop the train without crew intervention . And emergency egresses should only work when the train has come to a stand to prevent someone opening the doors whilst the train is going at speed .

In the past I worked at a large department store . One of the shoplifters favourite tricks was to load their basket up with goods , press the fire alarm and exit using a fire escape . Knowing full well that once the fire alarm went off the multiple security staff in the shop went from being responsible for security to being responsible for evacuating the building as quickly as possible . Imagine the fire services response if the company asked if they could turn the fire alarm off and lock the fire doors . Exact same logic here

 

[fowler9]

Quite simply no people should not be locked on trains with no emergency egress . Train crew can and do get incapacitated in incidents .
I do think that traction that remains with pascoms that immediately dumps the brakes should be modified because passengers should not have the ability to be able to stop the train without crew intervention . And emergency egresses should only work when the train has come to a stand to prevent someone opening the doors whilst the train is going at speed .

In the past I worked at a large department store . One of the shoplifters favourite tricks was to load their basket up with goods , press the fire alarm and exit using a fire escape . Knowing full well that once the fire alarm went off the multiple security staff in the shop went from being responsible for security to being responsible for evacuating the building as quickly as possible . Imagine the fire services response if the company asked if they could turn the fire alarm off and lock the fire doors . Exact same logic here

Excellent point. Also as has been said many times before keep the customers informed. Even if the announcement just says "We know you are there, you haven't been forgotten". I would say after 30 mins you should be making contingencies for people to have a wee.

 

[theageofthetra]

Excellent point. Also as has been said many times before keep the customers informed. Even if the announcement just says "We know you are there, you haven't been forgotten". I would say after 30 mins you should be making contingencies for people to have a wee.

Exactly. However if the PA has been lost managing those arrangements is very difficult. That there is no dedicated emergency battery back up for it or the radio is ridiculous.

 

[Skymonster]

Exactly. However if the PA has been lost managing those arrangements is very difficult.

No it isn't. Staff still have voices. They need to get up off their ass, out of their cabs, and go talk to the punters.

 

[fowler9]

Exactly. However if the PA has been lost managing those arrangements is very difficult. That there is no dedicated emergency battery back up for it or the radio is ridiculous.

Indeed, I totally agree. This is why having a second safety critical member of staff on board is vital. I was on a long distance bus in Chile (It was a brand new Mercedes double decker coach, like their National Express) and it caught fire in the middle of the Atacama Desert at 3 in the morning. Even with three crew on board it was a mess and that was less than 100 passengers.

 

[Bromley boy]

No it isn't. Staff still have voices. They need to get up off their ass, out of their cabs, and go talk to the punters.

Good luck with that if the train consists of two or more completely separate units with no connecting gangway. As many DOO trains do.

 

[6Gman]

No it isn't. Staff still have voices. They need to get up off their ass, out of their cabs, and go talk to the punters.

And respond to the GSM-R or whatever at the same time?

 

[Llanigraham]

No it isn't. Staff still have voices. They need to get up off their ass, out of their cabs, and go talk to the punters.

If the driver isn't in his cab, how is he going to answer the GSM-R?
And I think you will find that there are proceedures that a driver has to undertake when leaving their cab.