is C2C good?

[TSR :D]

I've never heard of them, neither does my mate. Is it good? A mate of mine asked me that he lives somewhere in between Ilford and Barking stations. He has a choice of using C2C or NXEA.

What train company would you recommend?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

c2c are a very good TOC; punctual, clean and nice trains. Quite a remarkable transformation from the old LTS.

 

[causton]

I'd choose c2c as I've never found cause to fault them, and if he does then he can just use District line/H+C from Barking instead

 

[martin2345uk]

Surely whichever one works out cheaper taking into account journey times, required destination etc.?

 

[transportphoto]

c2c would be my choice!

 

[abutcher1985]

As others have said there aren't that many routes these two have in common. If its a case of heading out to Southend then definitely c2c, much nicer stock! But if its a case of commuting into London it really makes very little difference... It will be standing room only in any case

 

[Ivo]

If your friend is between Ilford and Barking the obvious assumption is that he is travelling into London, which would make c2c a far more attractive option than NXEA - for one thing, NXEA 315s from Ilford have no toilet! However, they are owned by the same bunch of idiots (well, until Abellio's Greater Anglia term begins anyway), so from that perspective it really doesn't matter.

As with their former NXEC franchise, National Express have not been a massive success with NXEA. c2c however has been a strong result for them and is consistently the most punctual operator in the country (their short route does explain this to a degree though).

If travelling to Southend, c2c are direct from Barking, whereas NXEA are very rarely direct from Ilford and only hourly from Romford.

And lastly, the 357s running to Central are far nicer than the 321s NXEA run. I have never seen a 360 at Southend Victoria, although I have read that it does happen in extreme circumstances; even then however 357s are still probably better units.

 

[TSR :D]

He is going direct to central London and stations on the route doesn't matter.
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Ok, since he has never used it, he wants to know what is the total of TPH for all train TOCs stopping at that station and he also wants to know how platform is allocted to each TOCs as he sometimes, can easily get lost due misreading the platform numbers. (I tried to check station information on wiki, looks there is very little information on platform numbers).

 

[MCR247]

Without trying to be rude, surely you could find out the frequencies...?

 

[TSR :D]

Without trying to be rude, surely you could find out the frequencies...?

Oops, I didn't mention that TPH was for peak services which were unavailable on wiki page.

As far as off-peak services go, I can see there is total of 27TPH.

 

[Eagle]

Oops, I didn't mention that TPH was for peak services which were unavailable on wiki page.

Is your friend not able to use a train timetable? Such as are commonly available on the TOCs' websites? Work it out for yourself.

 

[TSR :D]

He can. But I don't know why he asked for it. I'll assume he wants to know if services are frequent enough to warrant for not reading timetables before leaving his home.

 

[Eagle]

He can. But I don't know why he asked for it. I'll assume he wants to know if services are frequent enough to warrant for not reading timetables before leaving his home.

What I meant is can he look at a timetable now to determine the frequencies, rather than asking someone else (who will be using the same method)?

 

[ainsworth74]

He can. But I don't know why he asked for it. I'll assume he wants to know if services are frequent enough to warrant for not reading timetables before leaving his home.

He can find them online, he doesn't need anyone else to do it for him. Though becuase I have some time to kill I will link you here and here those two websites should be able to answer all his questions.

 

[Essexman]

C2C are usually excellent.

 

[Ivo]

Which station are you referring to anyway? On the assumption that the answer is Barking, I'll give you what you need...

P1: London Overground to Gospel Oak via Walthamstow Queens Road (4tph)
P2: District line to Upminster. *Double-sided platform* (12tph)
P3: Hammersmith & City terminators, located further down P2 (~3tph)
P4: c2c to Shoeburyness/Southend via Upminster (6tph)
P5: c2c to Fenchurch Street from the Basildon and Ockendon routes (6tph)
P6: District line towards central London (12tph)
P7: c2c from Fenchurch Street, usually via Rainham, or Liverpool Street (2tph)
P8: c2c to Fenchurch Street, usually from the Rainham route, or Liverpool Street (2tph)

 

[jopsuk]

Where is he travelling to in London? Obviously if it is an easy walk from Fenchurch Street and Liverpool Street this is a moot point, but "Central London" is a big area- Liverpool Street has good Underground connections (plus it has Stratford en-route which has further underground, Overground and DLR connections), whilst Fenchurch Street itself has no Underground, but the line has Underground and DLR handy

 

[All Line Rover]

In answer to the original question, in a word, YES.

...except when football matches are on.

 

[transportphoto]

whilst Fenchurch Street itself has no Underground, but the line has Underground and DLR handy

<1min walk from Tower Hill LUL IIRC

 

[calc7]

I live in Limehouse (first stop from London), and, I must say, the amount of trains going in and out of FST in the morning peak is a very well-run operation.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

<1min walk from Tower Hill LUL IIRC

About 2-3 mins I would say, but then again the only time I have ever tried this interchange I got quite lost...

 

[calc7]

About 2-3 mins I would say, but then again the only time I have ever tried this interchange I got quite lost...

Trick is to use the front set of doors in the fifth coach from the front. Pops you right by the stairs down to the exit you need for the tube.

 

[Mojo]

From Ilford to Liv St a point-to-point season is available, whereas from Barking to central London only Travelcards are available. If the person is unlikely to do much travelling on other modes, or off that line, then Ilford may be better value for money.

 

[Bald Rick]

If punctuality is important, whilst c2c has better PPM (0-5 mins late) than the GE Metros, the latter has a better Right Time performance (0-59 seconds late)

 

[tbtc]

C2C are a well run National Express franchise that bought new stock and improved services, just like MML/ ScotRail... where did it all got wrong for NatEx?

Trick is to use the front set of doors in the fifth coach from the front. Pops you right by the stairs down to the exit you need for the tube.

I *love* local knowledge like this - if I lived in London I'd love to compile these kind of things (e.g. when you are better sitting in the front/rear of the train for getting to the exit at your next station)

 

[causton]

C2C are a well run National Express franchise that bought new stock and improved services, just like MML/ ScotRail... where did it all got wrong for NatEx?



I *love* local knowledge like this - if I lived in London I'd love to compile these kind of things (e.g. when you are better sitting in the front/rear of the train for getting to the exit at your next station)

I have an Android app for the tube which does this - very handy except when stations are refurbished and they close some exits

 

[tsr]

I *love* local knowledge like this - if I lived in London I'd love to compile these kind of things (e.g. when you are better sitting in the front/rear of the train for getting to the exit at your next station)

There's an iOS app called "Tube Exits" which covers this local knowledge for journeys on the tube. I believe all stations and within-station (as opposed to OSI) interchanges are covered. I use it infrequently - only when travelling to stations that I haven't yet been to - but it is reliable.

 

[Ivo]

Trick is to use the front set of doors in the fifth coach from the front. Pops you right by the stairs down to the exit you need for the tube.

I have probably taken advantage of this fifty times. The two are literally 100 metres or so apart when using this entrance. Be advised however that during 4-car operation when you walk up to platform level you "surface" about ten metres further up than the 357s' cabs and have to walk back a short distance. Given the high number of c2c stations whose main entrance is to the eastern end of the station however, especially in Southend, even this can be advantageous, as you often end up closer to the entrance than would often otherwise be true (even allowing for car stop positions).

To be perfectly honest, of all c2c stations, only some in London have their main facilities to the western end of the platform, and even then Barking does not.

 

[tbtc]

I have an Android app for the tube which does this - very handy except when stations are refurbished and they close some exits

There's an iOS app called "Tube Exits" which covers this local knowledge for journeys on the tube. I believe all stations and within-station (as opposed to OSI) interchanges are covered. I use it infrequently - only when travelling to stations that I haven't yet been to - but it is reliable.

Cheers both - didn't realise