Invalid railcard on chiltern rail

[ribble66]

Hi All,

On Monday I was stopped on a train on chiltern railways. I had bought a ticked- but had an invalid 16-25 railcard. I turned 26 around 3 months ago and hadn’t realised my railcard had expired. When I was asked by the ticket officer to show my railcard, he realised it was expired and took my details down and said I’d receive a letter through the post. It was a stupid mistake. But I pay for my tickets on Trainline through Apple Pay and it automatically adds the rail card. I have been on 7 or 8 journeys with the invalid card. I’m also slightly worried I may have done it in the past too without changing my rail card in time before it expired. What is the likelihood that I will get a criminal record? As I have seen this mentioned and am extremely worried about it. Also how harsh are chiltern railways on prosecutions or do they sometimes not prosecute at all? Im new to this forum so am very much in the dark regarding the proceedings. Please any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[Kite159]

First thing you can do is purchase a 26-30 railcard so any trips going forward you have a valid railcard for.

Otherwise, all you can do is wait to hear from Chiltern, make sure you keep hold of the expired railcard in case they ask for it

 

[z444z]

I have been on 7 or 8 journeys with the invalid card

That’s okay, but they will probably charge you for these and it’ll be at the higher Anytime single rate, with a return journey charged as 2x singles. It’s worth calculating the maximum they might ask you for so you can ensure you have it available.

What is the likelihood that I will get a criminal record?

Very small. They’ll write to you in the next few months and either offer a settlement straight away or ask for your side of the story and as long as your response is appropriate they’ll then offer a settlement. It can sometimes take more work than this but other than Transport for London most train companies only proceed to prosecution if you don’t engage with the process.

Also how harsh are chiltern railways on prosecutions or do they sometimes not prosecute at all?

I believe Chiltern used to use ITAL, a third party, for prosecutions, and they were very difficult to deal with and getting a settlement involved a lot of work, but they’ve now brought it in house and are quite easy to deal with. It’s unlikely they’ll let you off entirely though.

 

[ribble66]

That’s okay, but they will probably charge you for these and it’ll be at the higher Anytime single rate, with a return journey charged as 2x singles. It’s worth calculating the maximum they might ask you for so you can ensure you have it available.

Very small. They’ll write to you in the next few months and either offer a settlement straight away or ask for your side of the story and as long as your response is appropriate they’ll then offer a settlement. It can sometimes take more work than this but other than Transport for London most train companies only proceed to prosecution if you don’t engage with the process.

I believe Chiltern used to use ITAL, a third party, for prosecutions, and they were very difficult to deal with and getting a settlement involved a lot of work, but they’ve now brought it in house and are quite easy to deal with. It’s unlikely they’ll let you off entirely though.

Ah okay- thanks very much- how do you know they moved it in house? And what is the usual procedure with them?

 

[AlterEgo]

Ah okay- thanks very much- how do you know they moved it in house? And what is the usual procedure with them?

This forum tracks trends with train companies and sees the correspondence people post on here. The usual procedure is as @z444z describes in their post. Expect to wait several months to be contacted.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

@ribble66. Welcome to the forum. What was the typical journey you made using the out-of-date railcard? Or did it vary?

 

[ribble66]

@ribble66. Welcome to the forum. What was the typical journey you made using the out-of-date railcard? Or did it vary?

It was usually from London Marylebone to Banbury

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This forum tracks trends with train companies and sees the correspondence people post on here. The usual procedure is as @z444z describes in their post. Expect to wait several months to be contacted.

Is it true that after 6 months of no contact, they will not be allowed to prosecute?

 

[Mcr Warrior]

It was usually from London Marylebone to Banbury

An Anytime Day Single for that journey is £52.70. Return journey twice that. The train company or their agents will likely add on a (low) three figure admin fee. Let you do the maths. Soon adds up!

Won't just be a matter of paying the ££ difference between what you actually (under)paid, and what you perhaps should have paid.

 

[AlterEgo]

Is it true that after 6 months of no contact, they will not be allowed to prosecute?

That is generally correct but they can still bring civil action.

 

[z444z]

It was usually from London Marylebone to Banbury

£52.70 each way.

Is it true that after 6 months of no contact, they will not be allowed to prosecute?

They have 6 months from the date of the incident to actually bring the prosecution (file papers with the court). You can’t be sure that this hasn’t happened until roughly 6.5 months because you need to leave time for the court to contact you.

 

[ribble66]

£52.70 each way.

They have 6 months from the date of the incident to actually bring the prosecution (file papers with the court). You can’t be sure that this hasn’t happened until roughly 6.5 months because you need to leave time for the court to contact you.

Ah so it will be the court contacting me or chiltern rail by letter?

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That’s okay, but they will probably charge you for these and it’ll be at the higher Anytime single rate, with a return journey charged as 2x singles. It’s worth calculating the maximum they might ask you for so you can ensure you have it available.

Very small. They’ll write to you in the next few months and either offer a settlement straight away or ask for your side of the story and as long as your response is appropriate they’ll then offer a settlement. It can sometimes take more work than this but other than Transport for London most train companies only proceed to prosecution if you don’t engage with the process.

I believe Chiltern used to use ITAL, a third party, for prosecutions, and they were very difficult to deal with and getting a settlement involved a lot of work, but they’ve now brought it in house and are quite easy to deal with. It’s unlikely they’ll let you off entirely though.

Another question- is there a way to work out how many of my journeys had an invalid railcard? I can see tickets Ive bought on Trainline but I can’t tell which ones were with a valid railcard. Also are all the tickets on Trainline what they’ll look through?

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Another question- is there a way to work out how many of my journeys had an invalid railcard? I can see tickets Ive bought on Trainline but I can’t tell which ones were with a valid railcard. Also are all the tickets on Trainline what they’ll look through?

Don't you know when your old railcard expired? Did you actually have one? Almost certainly the train company's investigation team will look through your online ticket booking history (with Trainline or whomever) and may come to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that each and every discounted ticket you've ever bought was without you having an accompanying valid, in date, railcard. So, you may need to prove you did previously have a valid railcard.

 

[z444z]

Ah so it will be the court contacting me or chiltern rail by letter?

It's very likely that Chiltern will contact you, as I said in my first post, but if they decided to prosecute without contacting you (or their correspondence got lost) then it's possible you'd first hear from the court. We find that even at this stage a settlement is still often possible.

Another question- is there a way to work out how many of my journeys had an invalid railcard?

You'd need to know when your previous railcard expired. If you have no record of it they may assume you never had one.

Also are all the tickets on Trainline what they’ll look through?

They might check other online accounts under the same email/phone number but often just check the one associated with the ticket they caught you using.

 

[ribble66]

Don't you know when your old railcard expired? Did you actually have one? Almost certainly the train company's investigation team will look through your online ticket booking history (with Trainline or whomever) and may come to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that each and every discounted ticket you've ever bought was without you having an accompanying valid, in date, railcard. So, you may need to prove you did previously have a valid railcard.

Yes- it expired on November 29th last year. Since then I have made this trip around 7 times I believe. Looking back on my Trainline bookings, i cant see a mention on the ticket info that I entered with railcard or not. Also looking at my past journeys they seem to stop at around the start of 2024. Im confused as to why this is aswell because I was defnietely getting trains before then. Perhaps on a different account? I’m not sure? I can prove my railcard for sure though

 

[z444z]

Yes- it expired on November 29th last year. Since then I have made this trip around 7 times I believe.

If that’s 7 returns it’ll be £737.80, plus a roughly £150 admin fee. It would be sensible to keep around £1000 aside for this I’d say.

Looking back on my Trainline bookings, i cant see a mention on the ticket info that I entered with railcard or not

Interesting, I actually can’t see this on any of my previous Trainline bookings on the app either. It is near the bottom of the booking confirmation emails if you have those, in the section “Payment information” under “Fare details”.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Looking back on my Trainline bookings, i cant see a mention on the ticket info that I entered with railcard or not.

Check on what the fare would have been with or without a Railcard : BRFares.com is good for this (note that when using it, you don't just tell it what stations you want to know the fare for: you can also apply a Railcard, and ask about fares in the past). Then see which figures match what you paid, and that should give you your answer.

. Also looking at my past journeys they seem to stop at around the start of 2024. Im confused as to why this is aswell because I was defnietely getting trains before then. Perhaps on a different account? I’m not sure

I would guess that to save memory space, after a while tickets are taken off the live system, although I would further guess that Trainline keep offline backups.

It might be worth logging into your account on the website rather than the app: I think it's been said that this can give more details.

 

[z444z]

Check on what the fare would have been with or without a Railcard : BRFares.com is good for this (note that when using it, you don't just tell it what stations you want to know the fare for: you can also apply a Railcard, and ask about fares in the past). Then see which figures match what you paid, and that should give you your answer.

This could be a challenge with advances or splits!

 

[Fawkes Cat]

This could be a challenge with advances or splits!

To be honest, I hadn't thought of those: but if Trainline shows the tickets bought (as opposed to only the original and destination, and the total charged) then it should be possible even if not easy.

It's also in the OP's interests to try: the railway already know that the OP doesn't always pay the right fare from the time they were caught: so in practice it's now for the OP to show that they haven't done this very much before.

 

[z444z]

It's also in the OP's interests to try

Agreed!

 

[Chrism20]

A subject access request requesting purchase history in full should provide this