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Introduction of European Entry-Exit Scheme (EES)

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Fully agree, most notably the US handles picture and fingerprinting just fine at the manned counter
They probably couldn't come up with a kiosk design that was sufficiently aggressive and intimidating!

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Being very apprehensive about long queues and delays on our entry to Spain at Malaga this coming Sunday, my partner has decided to book special assistance (she is mobility-impaired, but we usually manage just about OK without). Hopefully this will speed things up a bit. Ditto for coming back.
 
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My wife and I will be returning to the UK on 16th December after nearly three months in Europe. Our outward journey on Eurostar was before the introduction of the EES. Therefore will we have to complete our initial registration at Gate du Nord prior to boarding Eurostar....or when we next travel to Europe in April 2026?
You'll be invited to register at Gare du Nord and then pass through passport control as usual, assuming you're within the 90 in 180 day limits.
 

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You'll be invited to register at Gare du Nord and then pass through passport control as usual, assuming you're within the 90 in 180 day limits.
So Gare du Nord are doing EES? Are any of the other Eurostar destinations doing so?
Nothing at Lille on Sunday when I came back.
 

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It’s probably quite similar to my post above about HvH. Be prepared to watch the Dutch and German cars fly out of the port while you wait to be processed.
Thanks... Thought it might be, but figured I'd double check

I'm always a foot passenger, so I assume its a case of passing through and registering at a kiosk
 

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They probably couldn't come up with a kiosk design that was sufficiently aggressive and intimidating!

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Being very apprehensive about long queues and delays on our entry to Spain at Malaga this coming Sunday, my partner has decided to book special assistance (she is mobility-impaired, but we usually manage just about OK without). Hopefully this will speed things up a bit. Ditto for coming back.
It depends how many flights have arrived from the UK at the same time. Took at least an hour to getting through to the exit after leaving the aircraft at Malaga.
 

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Just can't see how this will work long term. The data integrity is going to be absolutely shot to pieces if every summer/winter peak travel season it's suspended. In some ways wrong data is worse than no data for this kind of thing - you're going to have millions of 'overstays' flagged when it is suspended at peak times? No doubt people who want to overstay will eventually figure out that you can just have a free for all by travelling at certain times where EES is likely to be suspended.

No, this isn't correct. This is a classic misunderstanding of how EES works in practice: what they're talking about is suspending the registration process, but the virtual stamp will still be applied. So, they will still track overstays, just that they won't collect biometric data if the queues are too long. This is all within the Schengen Borders Code, as they can apply the so-called 'minimum check' if the situation warrants it.

To be honest I don't really understand what EES is actually trying to achieve with this registration that won't be handled by ETIAS? The lack of joined up thinking is pretty astounding to be honest.

The two are separate. ETIAS is a pre-approval for travel, the EES deals with actually collecting the biometrics.

Why did they come up with this idea of requiring another kisok/'pre registration', when ETIAS is going to ask the same questions I assume? It seems thats where it totally falls down. It could have actually been super efficient if it wasn't for that.

The system is left to the Member States to decide how to implement things. Each state can do it how they wish: at the booths (like in Poland), at kiosks, or even with staff using tablets. The only obligation is to collect biometric data, but how it's collected is entirely up to the country in question.

How will Rovaniemi Airport, Finland cope with EES?

Quite well, I suspect. I very much doubt that most people travelling there will need to register on the EES for the first time, as it's a destination for the relatively wealthy who are likely to have already registered on previous travels.

My daughter and I are Irish citizens, so we had a short wait for my wife and mother-in-law to complete the process. Incidentally, they were asked fewer questions than the passengers in the other car being processed - I don’t know if this was chance, or down to the nationality of their travel companions.

As they were family members of EU citizens, they have de facto freedom of movement when accompanied by you/your daughter, so that's why fewer questions would have been asked.

I used Madrid airport to enter Spain a couple of days ago and was directed to use a registration machine despite already having registered elsewhere. From there I was then directed to an e-gate followed by a passport stamp. The whole process does not seem well thought out at all.

I think the issue emerging is that there's a lot of confusion over who actually needs to use these kiosks and when. Some countries seem to be using them to replace border controls, other countries are using them solely for registration, and it seems that communication is really lacking in this respect. From what I know, Spain is using them for border control purposes, so all non-EU citizens are being directed to use them.
 

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A number of my friends took a charter flight from Birmingham to Pau last Saturday. Paul is a small regional airport in Southwest France with a handful of scheduled flights to Paris.

There were around 150 people on board the flight and my friends reported that it took almost three hours for everyone to be processed by the two members of French border staff.
 

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Quite well, I suspect. I very much doubt that most people travelling there will need to register on the EES for the first time, as it's a destination for the relatively wealthy who are likely to have already registered on previous travels.
I'm not so sure about that. We're flying into lapland soon and whilst I wouldn't say we were poor, I would class us as relatively wealthy either. We have had a couple of trips abroad this year, but even though one was after the introduction of the EES scheme, it wasn't being implemented at Lisbon.

We are, however, flying into Kuusamo, rather than Rovaniemi. It is a once in a lifetime trip for our family and I suspect that for a lot of families making the trip, this will be the case.
 

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Fully agree, most notably the US handles picture and fingerprinting just fine at the manned counter
When I went through Vienna a few weeks ago the EES pictures and fingerprinting were being done at the manned counter.
 

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A number of my friends took a charter flight from Birmingham to Pau last Saturday. Paul is a small regional airport in Southwest France with a handful of scheduled flights to Paris.

There were around 150 people on board the flight and my friends reported that it took almost three hours for everyone to be processed by the two members of French border staff.

This is the same reason I mentioned Rovaniemi Airport.

While researching Pau Airport, according to Wikipedia the only scheduled flights to non schengen destinations is 3 x weekly to Kerry in Ireland.

All other departures and arrivals to this airport are ad hoc charters.

As Kerry is in Ireland, most of the pax on these flights will be Irish and EES exempt.

Its these small regional routes that will struggle with it. I'm sure the big multiplex airports like Paris Orly/CdG and Amsterdam Schipol will get used to it after some initial teething problems, but these regional airports/routes will have a bigger struggle.
 

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This is the same reason I mentioned Rovaniemi Airport.

While researching Pau Airport, according to Wikipedia the only scheduled flights to non schengen destinations is 3 x weekly to Kerry in Ireland.

All other departures and arrivals to this airport are ad hoc charters.

As Kerry is in Ireland, most of the pax on these flights will be Irish and EES exempt.

Its these small regional routes that will struggle with it. I'm sure the big multiplex airports like Paris Orly/CdG and Amsterdam Schipol will get used to it after some initial teething problems, but these regional airports/routes will have a bigger struggle.
I suspect at places like Rovaniemi this will be handled very, very badly. I've not been to Finland post-Brexit but I've heard anecdotes of it being similar to other Nordic countries i.e. checks made are quite thorough, badly organised and particular enjoyment derived from being nasty, unpleasant and obstructive to British passport holders. I'm quite well connected with Sweden professionally and their border control is about par with the US (or worse) but with only one or two officers on duty leading to very long wait times.

One of my colleagues has told me Sweden now does have some kind of app that's meant to ask questions, I will try and test this out early next year. But knowing the Swedes it will probably involve having to go to one of their manned booths to repeat the same pointless rigmarole again with an agent.
 

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I am currently in Sofia, Bulgaria.

The airport has EES (the type done at immigration counter, not kiosk).

Fun fact. Britsh passport holder can use E Gates here. It says EU/EEA/CH/UK. After e gate the EES stuff would be done at the manned desk where the passport stamp is done.
 
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I suspect at places like Rovaniemi this will be handled very, very badly. I've not been to Finland post-Brexit but I've heard anecdotes of it being similar to other Nordic countries i.e. checks made are quite thorough, badly organised and particular enjoyment derived from being nasty, unpleasant and obstructive to British passport holders. I'm quite well connected with Sweden professionally and their border control is about par with the US (or worse) but with only one or two officers on duty leading to very long wait times.
I travel to Finland every month and never had an issue at the border. Usually through within a minute or two. They ask a couple of polite questions about where you’re staying and the purpose of your trip. Last month I registered for EES there and it too took a couple of minutes.

Contrast to Tenerife, where I am currently in a queue of over an hour waiting to get through the border. Farcical. Compounded by no buses to get us off the plane, it will be over two hours since landing to getting out of this godforsaken airport.

Get me to Finland anytime over this nonsense.
 

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Oooh thats interesting. I'm leaving Bulgaria and they have exit customs. I know not directly EES related but I've been to 14 EU countries, Bulgaria being my 14th and never encountered exit customs before.

Bonus points: it wasnt manned so even though I walked through the green nothing to declare channel, I doubt it would have made much difference if I'd have walked through the red channel. Its right after the security check.
 

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Oooh thats interesting. I'm leaving Bulgaria and they have exit customs. I know not directly EES related but I've been to 14 EU countries, Bulgaria being my 14th and never encountered exit customs before.

Was it T1 in Sofia? As far as I know, this is a hangover from the old Soviet/Russian model, which had/still has customs controls on exit. It used to be the norm for all departing passengers to be checked, but this was largely removed in the CEE after 1989. Bulgaria likely keeps it because they have serious problems with cash being taken out of the country, although whether it's actually used in practice is another story.

Having said that, currency controls on exit were very much the norm in some countries: the UK was incredibly strict about it until 1979, Italy kept them until 1990, etc.
 
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I suspect at places like Rovaniemi this will be handled very, very badly. I've not been to Finland post-Brexit but I've heard anecdotes of it being similar to other Nordic countries i.e. checks made are quite thorough, badly organised and particular enjoyment derived from being nasty, unpleasant and obstructive to British passport holders. I'm quite well connected with Sweden professionally and their border control is about par with the US (or worse) but with only one or two officers on duty leading to very long wait times.

One of my colleagues has told me Sweden now does have some kind of app that's meant to ask questions, I will try and test this out early next year. But knowing the Swedes it will probably involve having to go to one of their manned booths to repeat the same pointless rigmarole again with an agent.
I love Sweden, but the passport entry there before this was bad. Loved the time when there was long slow queue, and you just had one official there telling people what queue to go in say how this is what we wanted and voted for.... Hmm.
 

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I love Sweden, but the passport entry there before this was bad. Loved the time when there was long slow queue, and you just had one official there telling people what queue to go in say how this is what we wanted and voted for.... Hmm.
And they'd be right...absolutely ridiculous decision to leave - it's like leaving a Golf Club and going back to use their showers when you feel like it.
 

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Was it T1 in Sofia? As far as I know, this is a hangover from the old Soviet/Russian model, which had/still has customs controls on exit. It used to be the norm for all departing passengers to be checked, but this was largely removed in the CEE after 1989. Bulgaria likely keeps it because they have serious problems with cash being taken out of the country, although whether it's actually used in practice is another story.

Having said that, currency controls on exit were very much the norm in some countries: the UK was incredibly strict about it until 1979, Italy kept them until 1990, etc.
Yes Sofia T1.

On looking back, it looked like it is sometimes manned. There was a seat there and everything.
 

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I love Sweden, but the passport entry there before this was bad. Loved the time when there was long slow queue, and you just had one official there telling people what queue to go in say how this is what we wanted and voted for.... Hmm.
Somewhat ironic given Sweden only joined the EU itself in 1995!
 

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I travel to Finland every month and never had an issue at the border. Usually through within a minute or two. They ask a couple of polite questions about where you’re staying and the purpose of your trip. Last month I registered for EES there and it too took a couple of minutes.
I was in Finland last week and, although there seemed to be problems with "the system" the officer was polite and helpful and I was on my way quickly.

I travel quite a bit for work. My worst experience was Stockholm where the number of staff was inadequate and it took an hour. Best was Copenhagen where there are cafes airside of passport control (including for arrivals) so I did some work at Joe and the Juice and went through passport control once the queue had cleared!
 

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The following airports in Romania all have EES from 10th Dec

Iași
Sibiu
Suceava

The central airport București Otopeni will have it by late Jan
 

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My experience last week was both on Eurostar (London - Rotterdam) and Stena (Hoek van Holland - Harwich). As discussed previously, the system isn't currently in place at St. Pancras. After a cursory check by UK border staff I then continued to the French customs. The officer merely scanned the passport, stamped it and allowed me to continue. The whole process was quicker than i expected.

Returning on Friday night Dutch customs staff did the finger prints and photo, but apart from being slightly confused by the French stamp in the passport, they hadn't realised the process when using Eurostar. I was through in a matter of minutes.
 

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Was in Copenhagen at the weekend,and EES was sort of carried out at the immigration desk as the kiosks were present,but covered up.There was a huge queue to enter,but it was managed extremely well,with a queue marshall directing people down the EU line if the queues got too long.As an EU passport holder I waltzed past the queue wearing a smug grin,but was pleasantly surprised when Mrs.A and her non EU friends got through less than 10 minutes later.Apparently they had been directed down the EU route,and didn’t get fingerpprinted or photographed. I am not sure if it will work at every airport,but they chose the queue next to the one for EU passports, and this did seem to be the one that was getting most referrals.Exit was a 35 minute queue, but again just the exit stamp.Not sure how it would have worked if you had the ees details taken on the way in.
 

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After a cursory check by UK border staff I then continued to the French customs.
UK border staff don't normally check passports of departing passengers. Are you sure it was them and not Mitie security staff operating for Eurostar?
 

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My wife and I travelled back on Eurostar from Paris to London this evening. The EES registration machines in the former Relay bookshop at Gare due Nord were illuminated, but not in use. We had a swift passage through the French biometric passport gates; had our passports stamped by hand and then through the UK gates....just the same as when we last travelled back from Italy in June.
 

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