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Info request: all Eclipse Gemini 1 / 2 body variants?

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I'm no bus guru but recently I noticed the variety of models and providers hired-in for local events and rail-replacement services. A few motley photos are here:

Now - an ask of the wise forum members:
Posts #19, #23, #27: the seven examples of Eclipse Gemini 1 and 2, have six different bodyside variants - and the pair with matching bodysides, have differing upper front handrails.
I haven't found any online information explaining that myriad of Eclipse Gemini bodyside options.
Is there a reliable online source of such info? Many thanks.
 
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I'm no bus guru but recently I noticed the variety of models and providers hired-in for local events and rail-replacement services. A few motley photos are here:

Now - an ask of the wise forum members:
Posts #19, #23, #27: the seven examples of Eclipse Gemini 1 and 2, have six different bodyside variants - and the pair with matching bodysides, have differing upper front handrails.
I haven't found any online information explaining that myriad of Eclipse Gemini bodyside options.
Is there a reliable online source of such info? Many thanks.
I'm not aware of a source that details the differences as such, but searching for an individual vehicle registration either on Google or via the "Bus Lists on the Web" website (or indeed using the bodywork search on the latter to view all Wright Geminis) will bring up photos.
Basically you have different lengths - the shorter buses have a short window in the middle of the side, longer ones have a full-size one. Then you have gasket glazing (round cornered windows) or bonded glazing (square cornered). A couple of the buses in the photos have London -spec air conditioning units, hence the lower top to the windows upstairs above the staircase.
The rails upstairs at the front are tree deflectors, designed to stop trees from breaking the window. The standard fitting is just to the nearside, but the blue bus in #27 has had an extra one fitted to the offside.
 

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I'm no bus guru but recently I noticed the variety of models and providers hired-in for local events and rail-replacement services. A few motley photos are here:

Now - an ask of the wise forum members:
Posts #19, #23, #27: the seven examples of Eclipse Gemini 1 and 2, have six different bodyside variants - and the pair with matching bodysides, have differing upper front handrails.
I haven't found any online information explaining that myriad of Eclipse Gemini bodyside options.
Is there a reliable online source of such info? Many thanks.

Well I may not be 'wise', but I can go some way to explain some of the differences. The first and most boring point would be that different buses were new to different operators, built to a different specification (and possibly later modified by the operators themselves) so details vary. Even then if the same operator bought several batches of buses, they won't necessarily be identical.

In post #19 the blue Metrobus liveried Eclipse Gemini 2 has rubber-mounted gasket windows, which can be painted in between. The glass is held in place with a piece of rubber gripping it all the way around the edge.
Compare that to the First liveried bus in post #27 which has bonded type glazing, where the windows are continuous with no gaps in between. The glass is glued in place and is arguably more stylish, but at the expense of being more difficult to replace if one gets broken. Other types of bus like the ALX400 also offer gasket/bonded window variants.

The yellow Gemini in post #23 lacks the small window in the lower deck because it is ex-London, and London specified a straight staircase that took up more room. Also ex-London buses tend to be converted from 2 doors to 1, so on the nearside 'converted' buses sometimes have different window layouts to ones built only with one door (again, this applies to lots of bus models, not just Wright Geminis)

One of the Purple Gemini 2s in post #23 is another Eclipse Gemini 2 with bonded glazing an a Volvo B9TL chassis. The other one has gasket glazing, but is of the rarer VDL DB300 chassis* type, and I believe the body on these is called a Wright Pulsar Gemini 2DL.
*technically the DB300 is a semi-integral bus without a traditional chassis, but is easier to differentiate it from the Volvo by calling it one!

Burrows Coaches grey example in post #27 is an overall longer variant, so the short windows seen on the others are replaced by long ones to make up the length. If you happen to see a Gemini that was new to Lothian, then these are extra-long with a set of three stretched windows at the centre of each deck.

The final two in post #27 are built to First Group's standard specification with bonded passenger windows.


Wright also changed the design of the Gemini's rear end when they switched from bodying the Volvo B7TL to Volvo B9TL chassis, and there are a few different styles of dashboard available too. So much on a bus can be built-to-order it ends up being a semi-bespoke product, resulting in a lot of differences!



And going off topic a little, how Wright name their bodywork changes depending on the chassis:
Eclipse = Volvo chassis
Solar = Scania chassis
Pulsar = DAF/VDL chassis
And if it's a double decker 'Gemini' is added
Or an articulated bus 'Fusion' is added

So "Wright Eclipse Gemini" is almost code for a Volvo double decker
"Wright Eclipse Fusion" is for a Volvo 'bendy' bus
"Wright Solar" is for a Scania single decker
And then there are a bunch of exceptions to the rule, but that's the basic system.
'Gemini' on its own (without 'Eclipse') generally refers to either Eclipse Geminis since they are by far the most common, or just the Gemini bodywork type in general.
 
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There is also inconsistency in the fronts, from memory some operators like Dublin Bus continued to specify the original (mk 1) style front on their mk 2 versions.

The early Gemini 3 buses (with lower side windows) were often fitted with Gemini 2 style fronts too. Some enthusiasts unofficially refer to these as v2.5 Almost seemed as if development of new front design was about year behind the rest of the bus when mk3 version came in.

Those delivered to London had double doors (a mid exit door), some operators later converted these to single door, but the narrow windows around the former door spacing were unchanged so side looks messier than examples built new with just one door.
 

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Many thanks @Pyewipecarshed and, yes, I'd started with Bus Lists on the Web - before my brain started hurting. :D
Thanks also for shedding light on why the purple Gemini 2's have two lower windows on the upper deck.

Thanks also, @TR673 and @Snow1964 - your posts came in whilst I was writing this reply. :) @TR673 your explanation of the ex-London conversions is interesting, as I would often take a Gemini 1 with the 74 from Marble Arch to Earls Court.

What piqued my curiosity, was - even with the 2 body-lengths and gasket versus bonded - the permutations shown across those seven examples I've captured.
I presume each buyer can specify from a WrightBus "options list"? Such as large/small window sequence, which windows have hopper openings (and whether each hopper is single or split opening).
 
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Transdev rebuilt the Gemini 1s bought by Blazefield for the 36 between Leeds, Harrogate and Ripon with Gemini 2 fronts
 

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Transdev rebuilt the Gemini 1s bought by Blazefield for the 36 between Leeds, Harrogate and Ripon with Gemini 2 fronts
Are there any core differences between the Gemini (1) and Gemini 2 bodies except for the front (given the same chassis)?
 

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Transdev rebuilt the Gemini 1s bought by Blazefield for the 36 between Leeds, Harrogate and Ripon with Gemini 2 fronts
And Reading had a Pulsar Gemini with a rebuilt front end which is now with Lynx.

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I presume each buyer can specify from a WrightBus "options list"? Such as large/small window sequence, which windows have hopper openings (and whether each hopper is single or split opening).
I think the sequence of windows simply depends on the length of the bus.
I did find out about some Eclipse Geminis that have no lower rear window downstairs at all, specifically with Transdev and the now-defunct Yellow Buses (and I only just made the connection that since Yellow Buses were once part of Transdev, the same people must have made this unusual specification).
 
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Don't forget the low height versions. They are easily identifiable by their flatter roofs.
 

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I did find out about some Eclipse Geminis that have no lower rear window downstairs at all, specifically with Transdev and the now-defunct Yellow Buses (and I only just made the connection that since Yellow Buses were once part of Transdev, the same people must have made this unusual specification).
Prior to ordering the Gemini 1s Blazefield rebuilt a President (2706 Y706HRN, registered as B7BVD - Blazefield Vehicle Development) with a small rear window and from the in service trials came to the conclusion that a rear window was not neccessary, and consequently allowing greater promotion of service space on the vehicle rear. Transdev acquired Blazefield in Jan 2006, having taken a controlling stake (90% of the shares) in Yellow Buses the previous month.
 

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Are there any core differences between the Gemini (1) and Gemini 2 bodies except for the front (given the same chassis)?
I certainly can't see any other difference when comparing the Gemini 2 with later Gemini 1s. The earlier ones had the ugly rear and plain rather than "peg board" ceilings.
 

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Does anyone know what Volvo Chassis wheelbase lengths the Gemini was offered in and subsequently the overall body lengths? I think there were 3 lengths on both B7TL and B9TL chassis and 2 lengths on B5TL chassis but unsure of the exact details of them?
 

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I certainly can't see any other difference when comparing the Gemini 2 with later Gemini 1s. The earlier ones had the ugly rear and plain rather than "peg board" ceilings.
Yeah, the ones with the flat rear and high up numberplate I thought were only on the B7TL chassis (and rounded rear and lower positioned numberplate were on the B9TL), and the style of ceiling I imagine was operator specified. I'm just unsure if the core structure underneath was changed at all.

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Does anyone know what Volvo Chassis wheelbase lengths the Gemini was offered in and subsequently the overall body lengths? I think there were 3 lengths on both B7TL and B9TL chassis and 2 lengths on B5TL chassis but unsure of the exact details of them?
A very quick search has yielded this specification brochure for the B9TL:
https://my-lothian.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/b9tl_4x2_rhd_euro5_eev1.pdf
I haven't got time to read it fully right now but hopefully it's a good start.
 
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Why do the London versions have a large gap at the rear on the upper floor, and two shallower windows above the staircase? I’ve often wondered that.
 
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